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Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by steelframe »

binarycrusader wrote: post #218
CWuestefeld wrote: post #135

Last week I allowed it to "upgrade" to Win 11 22H2. Part of the upgrade involved silently resetting a heap of my default apps. When the upgrade was done, Firefox was no longer my default browser, it was changed to Edge. Also, the default apps for PDF, JPG, PNG, TXT, MKV, and probably others that I haven't yet discovered, were set to their MS equivalent apps. Microsoft, this was not a nice thing to do to a user.

Hey, sorry that happened, it should have preserved all of the default applications, etc. There are multiple suites of tests and processes that exist to try to ensure updates preserve user data and preferences but clearly something went wrong here. I’m just a developer, not a spokesperson, but I want to ensure that this is investigated if possible. If you file a bug in feedback hub under the Windows Update category it…

> I frequently work with the teams that are responsible

If this bug is rare and your personal insistence on prioritizing this fix makes any kind of difference, that's a bug in the organization and a misalignment of individual and business priorities. If a team can be randomized by an isolated instance without taking overall impact into consideration, that's a warning sign about the health of the business and the product.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by ugjka »

Gordonjcp wrote: post #334
FredPret wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely spot on. If only there was a way to pay money and then get printers / scanners / Bluetooth / wifi working properly on Linux, I'd definitely be doing that.

> get printers / scanners / Bluetooth / wifi working properly on Linux Use a distro released some time in the last 20 years?

There are still a lot of wireless chipsets out there that suck ASS. If you want to get good support, just get whatever hardware most kernel developers use

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by MattPalmer1086 »

WalterBright wrote: post #345
WalterBright wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Remember when MS merely including a web browser at all was brought into question? The very first MS-DOS also included a text editor - for free! Oh, the humanity! Those evil Redmondians!

I'm curious what the difference is between a free text editor is and a free browser included with the OS. Neither are functions of the operating system. Both have other companies providing such functionality.

I can see two obvious differences.

1) the text editor shipped with the OS is extremely basic. It is not competing to be the world's favourite text editor, and is probably required to have a usable OS out of the box.

2) the web browser was essentially a competing platform to the OS itself for many user tasks. To leverage your monopoly on one platform to control another is against anti trust.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by coredog64 »

lallysingh wrote: post #355

It's 2022. Who runs Windows? Consumers moved to iOS and devs moved to Linux/macOS. The only thing I have that needs Windows is a service DVD for a motorcycle and autocad fusion. Both work great in VMs for my occasional use. The VMs contain all the user toxicity from spreading to the rest of my environment.

There's still gaming. I've got a bunch of games on GoG that don't have a Linux install and are 32-bit only for Mac.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by hepitsu »

PostOnce wrote: post #324

Microsoft did a tremendous amount of hard work to convince me to make the effort to migrate away from Windows at home and at work. They want to lease me a word processor. They want to put ads in my digital filing cabinet. They want to take 30% of my software revenue, and when they realized they couldn't have it, they said they'd settle for 12%. No dice. There are zero Windows machines in my home or in my business rig…

Same here vis a vis Linux for my personal use, but the worse thing from Microsoft's perspective is how it pushed me towards buying Apple and recommending Apple products to everyone I know. As a techie, I used to hate Apple. I can't stand the closed ecosystem, I can't stand the product markups, and whenever friends or family would ask, I'd tell them they could get more powerful systems for a fraction of the cost if they just stuck to Windows. Nowadays I do the exact opposite. I tell them that while they'll be paying a markup, it's worth it because Apple has at least trended in the direction of privacy and has also continued delivering on usability. I'm not bombarded by ads and news when I open my Mac. So while I will never get my family and friends to use Linux, I have absolutely caused them to spend tens of thousands of dollars on Apple products instead of Windows. That's where I think these anti-consumer behaviors could really hurt Windows in the long run, if enough techies start driving their social circle to Apple.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by ncr100 »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #135

Last week I allowed it to "upgrade" to Win 11 22H2. Part of the upgrade involved silently resetting a heap of my default apps. When the upgrade was done, Firefox was no longer my default browser, it was changed to Edge. Also, the default apps for PDF, JPG, PNG, TXT, MKV, and probably others that I haven't yet discovered, were set to their MS equivalent apps. Microsoft, this was not a nice thing to do to a user.

Microsoft "update" somehow does this to me:

- I lost the ability to use my trackpad without having to wait for 1 second, holding my finger on the trackpad. This is palm-rejection. And there is NO way to turn it off. Rebooting the laptop temporarily sets the wait-time to 0 seconds, until I close the lid and sleep the laptop, then wake it again. There is a "sensitivity" feature, which uses words like "low" and "highest" .. and this does nothing to fix the issue, perceivable to me.

- I lost the ability to use my game-pad with built-in trackpad. I don't know why that feature disappeared. Clicking and swiping now does .. things .. but not moving the mouse nor right/left-clicking the button.

- I somehow failed to "update and shutdown." I chose that option, which said it should take 3 minutes. After 15 minutes, and multiple reboots, I was left BACK ON not shutdown, and the "update and shutdown" menu was still present. I don't know what Windows 11 even needed to update in the first place.

Overall Windows disrespects the user. Its "run all the drivers, on all PC configurations, from the beginning of time" is no doubt the culprit. That kind of complexity is impossible for humans to manage. (garbage-can emoji)

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by simonebrunozzi »

throw903290 wrote: post #390
PostOnce wrote: post #324

Microsoft did a tremendous amount of hard work to convince me to make the effort to migrate away from Windows at home and at work. They want to lease me a word processor. They want to put ads in my digital filing cabinet. They want to take 30% of my software revenue, and when they realized they couldn't have it, they said they'd settle for 12%. No dice. There are zero Windows machines in my home or in my business rig…

I am similar, except one thing. I have separate hdd with offline windows 10 installation for gaming. It never gets internet access, never gets updated. Everything totally offline. I dont have a stomache to deal with Wine.

Are there games you want to play, that won't allow you to start the game if you don't have an active internet connection?

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by shortcake27 »

y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #288
BirAdam wrote: post #8

This kind of crap is what made Windows 10 unusable for me. Everything was infuriating. I’m not a fanboy of anything either. Win2K was great. macOS 10.1-10.4 was wonderful. BeOS, RISCOS, IRIX, NeXT, and even DRDOS have warm places in my heart. These days, I use macOS because I find it the least annoying. It still has too many approval dialogs and notifications, but it isn’t quite as hostile as Windows. Linux and BSD a…

What are you doing with your machine that makes Windows 10 unusable? I've been on Windows 10 for years. I ran O&O ShutUp 10 a long time ago and haven't had any of the problems people are complaining about. I've had people complain about how they "shouldn't need to run Shutup 10" yeah ok valid point, but it's a weak one because I can make that point about anything on any other OS. It takes what - 10 seconds to run the…

You are exaggerating in an attempt to prove your point. Permissions _may_ require restarting the app once. Not weekly. MacOS major updates happen yearly, and minor every few months. Patches often don’t require restart. So that isn’t happening weekly either. Finally, “my application crashed” has absolutely nothing to do with MacOS and everything to do with the application. Nothing ever crashes for me except for Photoshop.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by account-5 »

the__alchemist wrote: post #410
account-5 wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing with Linux is it gets blamed for lack of vendor support. If something doesn't work with Linux it's Linux's fault, if something doesn't work with windows it's the vendors fault. That's never seemed fair to me. Those confusing and experimental drivers you mention are unlikely to be provided by the vendor and are likely a volunteer's best efforts to reverse engineer the driver As a counter point my old wireles…

My point isn't about who's at fault; it's the result.

Seemingly just for you.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by thaumasiotes »

binarycrusader wrote: post #218
CWuestefeld wrote: post #135

Last week I allowed it to "upgrade" to Win 11 22H2. Part of the upgrade involved silently resetting a heap of my default apps. When the upgrade was done, Firefox was no longer my default browser, it was changed to Edge. Also, the default apps for PDF, JPG, PNG, TXT, MKV, and probably others that I haven't yet discovered, were set to their MS equivalent apps. Microsoft, this was not a nice thing to do to a user.

Hey, sorry that happened, it should have preserved all of the default applications, etc. There are multiple suites of tests and processes that exist to try to ensure updates preserve user data and preferences but clearly something went wrong here. I’m just a developer, not a spokesperson, but I want to ensure that this is investigated if possible. If you file a bug in feedback hub under the Windows Update category it…

Unrelated, but something that staggered me:

I have a pair of Bose QC35 headphones from 2016 or possibly 2017. They have bluetooth.

One day, an update to Windows 10 prevented them from working with Windows. If I'm remembering right, they would still "connect", but they couldn't play anything other than the occasional glitchy click sound. This problem was never fixed. I verified that they continue to work with non-Windows devices, and they failed to work with other current Windows devices.

I'm not sure how this could have happened, but it dramatically lowered my opinion of Windows.

I still have the headphones; if you know how to generate a relevant log I'll look into it.

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