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Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by FredPret »

progman32 wrote: post #197

Linux/*BSD may still be that awkward friend who sometimes misreads your intentions and causes awkward moments or knocks glasses over, but at least tries to respect you (snapd excepted). Windows these days doesn't seem to respect you. There's a difference in my mind between struggling to make your computer do something (because nobody made it easy yet) and struggling to make your computer do something (because a marke…

Absolutely spot on.

If only there was a way to pay money and then get printers / scanners / Bluetooth / wifi working properly on Linux, I'd definitely be doing that.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by account-5 »

the__alchemist wrote: post #107
Slighted wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft transitioning Windows into a spyware platform filled with advertisements and garbage has been in the making for years at this point. Its absolutely exploitative, greedy, and evil, which is why if you can you should consider switching to a different operating system, like Linux. At the very least you can transition to using Linux for tasks that work on Linux while keeping around Windows for tasks which requi…

Linux is a usability mess, and has been for 20 years. I give a new shot once every other year. Basic flow: - Works out of the box for a basic desktop - Once you start installing drivers and software outside the package manager (Which you'll need to do immediately) and doing C+P CLI workarounds, the system state starts decaying, and things break. - The easiest way to fix things is usually a clean OS reinstall, in the…

First point true. What's an advanced desktop consist of?

Second point false, unless you're using something obscure and/or one of the pure only open source variants.

Third point. This is down to experience. But when you do decide to do a full reinstall it's done in about 5 minutes. Can't complain about that!

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by accrual »

MagicMoonlight wrote: post #186

I left Windows for Mint about 2 months ago and it's just so much better. All that stupid bullshit you have to deal with on windows just went away, I felt actual relief. No more ads, no more forced updates because you walked away from your computer, no processes that it forces you to run so that it can spy on your mics. It just works. If you want it to look like windows 7 you can, if you want it to look like an iPad y…

> no processes that it forces you to run so that it can spy on your mics

Is this hyperbole or a real thing that happened?

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by Gordonjcp »

FredPret wrote: post #331
progman32 wrote: post #197

Linux/*BSD may still be that awkward friend who sometimes misreads your intentions and causes awkward moments or knocks glasses over, but at least tries to respect you (snapd excepted). Windows these days doesn't seem to respect you. There's a difference in my mind between struggling to make your computer do something (because nobody made it easy yet) and struggling to make your computer do something (because a marke…

Absolutely spot on. If only there was a way to pay money and then get printers / scanners / Bluetooth / wifi working properly on Linux, I'd definitely be doing that.

> get printers / scanners / Bluetooth / wifi working properly on Linux

Use a distro released some time in the last 20 years?

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by actually_a_dog »

viraptor wrote: post #224
actually_a_dog wrote: post #182

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That’s simply untrue. I have a phone, a tablet, and a laptop. I do different things on each. None has supplanted the others; they all supplement each other.

You do that, but it doesn't generalise. Mobile phone ownership exceeded laptop/desktop ownership in the us in the last 2 years and the latter is in a slow constant decline. A lot of people are going to be happy with just the phone in the future.

Citation needed. Moreover, what's the evidence that those that make do with only phones would even want to purchase a tablet or laptop?

Edit: also, conflating phones with "desktops" is just being glib and disingenous.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by exceptione »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #210
a2tech wrote: post #195

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You're extremely lucky then. On our (very large, very strictly managed Windows 10 fleet) Edge is CONSTANTLY becoming the default PDF handler. Its a real PITA and MS has failed to give admins the tools to manage this correctly. These anti customer dark patterns are going to drive a wedge into the golden goose of corporate sales. At the same place as in my first statement, Macs are slowly showing up in places you'd nev…

> Someone over there needs to get their head out of their corporate ass and see the writing on the wall and turn the ship before it hits the iceberg they're heading at under full steam It was probably some manager's KPI at Microsoft to increase Edge market share so he decided that forcing Edge to default everytime would push him ahead and get him that sweet promotion. Microsoft lacks a common vision for Windows and g…

> so Windows is slowly rotting away unnoticed by those at the helm.

I wouldn't call it slowly, but you are right about your assessment. It is already quite some years ago, when evaluating the privacy and security measures of my machine, I had to conclude that MS *is* the adversary. I have a chuckle when people ask me what virus scanner they would need for their Windows machine. It is like asking how to prevent a deadly disease from catching a cold. It's not a hyperbole. All the opt-outs are illegal in the first place, but the damning fact is that MS does not allow you to switch of stealing part of your personal data anyway.

You should not run Windows. If you have to, because some legacy software does not have an alternative (and I find that has become increasingly rare), then run it in a vm with no internet access.

Also, we should really stop the meme about the year of the Linux Desktop. KDE has far surpassed Windows already. I use both OSes and have to conclude Windows is beyond repair. Nobody cares about this sinking ship, and that is a positive end of this rant.

*EDIT* I even think MS thinks the same wrt win in a vm. I can imagine they will ship Linux one time and have win apps open in a legacy win vm.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by Gordonjcp »

naiveai wrote: post #145
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #65

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On the contrary, Linux is in a good position for the same reason you think it isn't. As the desktop/laptop market shrinks to advanced users, it loses the long tail of users who weren't technically capable enough to switch. At the same time, WINE/proton and even some native ports have vastly improved the gaming scene on Linux, and a decent chunk of non-gaming applications too. Sure, there will always be certain busine…

Until and unless Microsoft Office products are on Linux natively and are supported by Microsoft, Linux will never be a mainstream operating system. And that's never going to happen.

Ironically enough I've found that O365 works far better on Firefox and Chrome on Linux than it does on those browsers on Windows, and Microsoft O365's support team warn against even attempting to use Windows 10 and Edge.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by gernb »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #135

Last week I allowed it to "upgrade" to Win 11 22H2. Part of the upgrade involved silently resetting a heap of my default apps. When the upgrade was done, Firefox was no longer my default browser, it was changed to Edge. Also, the default apps for PDF, JPG, PNG, TXT, MKV, and probably others that I haven't yet discovered, were set to their MS equivalent apps. Microsoft, this was not a nice thing to do to a user.

Just to give anecdata on the other side. I too just updated to 11 22H2 because my Oculus Rift S wouldn't run without updated drivers and I thought it best to update windows first.

No defaults changed for me. I wonder what the bug is. Note: I'm using Pro, not Home.

At the same time windows does drive me nuts with it's darkpartterns. The worst for me on Windows 11 was all the keyboard shortcuts that try to launch MS Office, MS Teams and related crap. The only way to turn them off is via PowerTools and even then they're not off on remote desktop.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by account-5 »

skipnup wrote: post #130
jacooper wrote: post #116

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What drivers? You don't need to install any drivers if everything works.

My computer ran well with Linux with one display after instaing Linux. Then I tried to use a second, daisy chained, Displayport display. And the mess began. Confusing tips on forums, confusing and experimental drivers to install... And so on. Didn't manage to get it running.

The thing with Linux is it gets blamed for lack of vendor support. If something doesn't work with Linux it's Linux's fault, if something doesn't work with windows it's the vendors fault. That's never seemed fair to me. Those confusing and experimental drivers you mention are unlikely to be provided by the vendor and are likely a volunteer's best efforts to reverse engineer the driver

As a counter point my old wireless canon printer works flawlessly out of its old box with Linux but getting it to work on windows 10 is full of confusing tips on forums, confusing and experimental drivers to install. Nightmare.

Re: Not-so-great features coming soon to Windows 11

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet »

binarycrusader wrote: post #218
CWuestefeld wrote: post #135

Last week I allowed it to "upgrade" to Win 11 22H2. Part of the upgrade involved silently resetting a heap of my default apps. When the upgrade was done, Firefox was no longer my default browser, it was changed to Edge. Also, the default apps for PDF, JPG, PNG, TXT, MKV, and probably others that I haven't yet discovered, were set to their MS equivalent apps. Microsoft, this was not a nice thing to do to a user.

Hey, sorry that happened, it should have preserved all of the default applications, etc. There are multiple suites of tests and processes that exist to try to ensure updates preserve user data and preferences but clearly something went wrong here. I’m just a developer, not a spokesperson, but I want to ensure that this is investigated if possible. If you file a bug in feedback hub under the Windows Update category it…

> If you file a bug in feedback hub under the Windows Update category it will collect the diagnostics required to fix this issue and prevent it from happening again.

One user filing a bug will absolutely not "prevent it from happening again".

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