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No one wants to have kids anymore

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Re: No one wants to have kids anymore

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> Don't fool yourself; we're not overpopulating ourselves to global economic and environmental meltdown; Yes we are. Yes. We. Are. Let it happen. I'll start panicking if the human population is still decreasing at 100 million. But for now, we are still growing.

What is your response to Ezra Klein's "Your Kids Are Not Doomed"?

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/05/opinion/climate-change-sh...

Re: No one wants to have kids anymore

#252

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Is this satire? I have a child and the monotonous boredom of dealing with a toddler forces me to suppress the distant memories of freedom to go to raves, fight in foreign militia, get lost in stormy mountains, hitchhike across the plains...

As the downvotes for your comment shows, it isn't acceptable to express dislike for having children. With this in mind we ought to take all positive things people say with a grain of salt, since a lot of those things will be said to get social points and many people avoid complaining since it isn't acceptable. Its like in discussions about exercise, if you just read discussions online you'd think that everyone loves…

This entire post is people talking about not wanting children. Not wanting and not having children has been a way to signal group membership in the PMC class for decades now. Social media is full of people complaining about kids on airplanes, in restaurants etc.

I'm over it, and I'm over the PMC signaling in general. The happiest people I know enjoy things without irony, love their kids, and aren't afraid to look stupid. The most miserable detest children and only care about trends.

Re: No one wants to have kids anymore

#253
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If the state wants babies let it act so as to make them easier to have. Medical care, parental leave, inexpensive day care even per child funding. Some have done this but it’s in disagreement with the conservative approach to governing. People get what they vote for.

The state does want babies. Notice the meek state opposition to recent changes in availability of a certain healthcare procedure. Don’t expect that to be changed back anytime soon.

If you’re referring to abortion in the us, I’ve always viewed that as anti-enjoyment rather than pro-child. It’s certainly not pro-mother and it has nothing that helps children once born. Carlin did a riff on this.

Re: No one wants to have kids anymore

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I would imagine that population growth follows something like a sigmoid growth curve. Having birth rates slow down is to be expected once humans reaches carrying capacity.

I wouldn't worry about humanity fading out - I mean, reaching a stable plateau would be great! The worry is that we'll overshoot that by too big a margin and suffer a big collapse.

Re: No one wants to have kids anymore

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Real parents consistently make it clear how terrible having kids is. The childless among us hear every complaint and lament about how terrible it is. Why would we do that to ourselves?

It's difficult to express to non-parents how good the good parts are. Speaking from personal experience, I never understood why people would want kids until we decided to have our own. This isn't a judgment or to say parents are in any way superior! Having children is a very personal choice which everyone has to confront, and there's no wrong answer. The feeling of being a parent is just incredibly difficult to put i…

Yes, it's extremely obvious what the unpleasant things are, like a screaming toddler in the supermarket. But you can't explain the joy in simply watching some DuckTales with your kid and laughing together. I try to describe it like it's like when you're in love with a girl, the honey moon, except the honey moon never passes. Just like you can't stop looking at your crush you can't stop looking at your child, you find everything they do and learn extremely interesting. May not be the experience for everyone but if it were not like this it would be very difficult to get through the rough parts!

The interesting thing is I care more about others kids as well now. Before kids I didn't have many interactions with them, not really a kids person, but now I feel more paternal for all kids. While there's an obvious confounding variable here, my friends with kids care about mine and want to meet them while those without pretend like they don't exist.

Re: No one wants to have kids anymore

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One morning last week, I’ve noticed that my wife was walking around the house in unusual silence. I thought I might have upset her with something, but couldn’t really recall any transgression that would have made her mad. Then after a few minutes of this, she dropped a pregnancy test in front of me, with a “+” sign shown on the little display. Looks like I’m going to be a father! I knew that this could happen sooner…

You should still do ketamine with your friend!

I second that. Life is absurd, and ketamine is quite safe if done properly.

Re: No one wants to have kids anymore

#257

A word of advice to anyone on the fence about having kids: There’s nothing wrong with choosing not to have kids, but do yourself and consult with actual parents for what it’s really like to have kids. Articles like this one, which are written by someone who apparently has chosen not to have children, are almost universally terrible at representing the true experience of being a parent. Yes, being a parent involves a…

Real parents consistently make it clear how terrible having kids is. The childless among us hear every complaint and lament about how terrible it is. Why would we do that to ourselves?

People complain about kids in a similar way to how they complain about their jobs. An unemployed observer might conclude that a career is inevitably hell on earth, but that wouldn't be the whole picture, even if everyone's work sucks some of the time and some people's work just sucks all the time.

Re: No one wants to have kids anymore

#258

I know this is going to be a hugely unpopular opinion, but life has no purpose if it was not for offspring. To me not wanting children gives me the same vibes as someone playing a sport or entering a competition and then not giving their absolute everything to win Gold.

correction: life has no purpose, EVEN IF you have offspring.

A self replicating machine doesn't have a purpose behind its actions, it just does them.

Re: No one wants to have kids anymore

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Ever talked with someone looking to hire? How often have you heard "I just need to hire someone with a degree and ". My university degree is not in tech at all, but it sure has managed to open enough doors to make my self-learned skillset profitable. Pretending that people were making bad decisions with going to college is victim-blaming - there isn't a job market out there which doesn't demand a degree, pretty much…

There are good cheap unis and community colleges whose quality is not bad and which cost a whole lot less. I’d like to see those utilized more

Agreed -- having a degree is important; having it from a prestigious/expensive university, for most people, is quite often much less so.

Obvious exceptions exist; we don't typically see presidential candidates who came from a community college. But most of the time, the degree is there more to show you could commit to a more self-directed educational experience than high school, and follow through with it while not usually under your parent's roof. Executive functioning, basically. Show some engagement in clubs, sports, or other activities for a bonus.

In many fields, if anything beyond this is expected, they want a graduate degree anyway, and this is where it can pay to splurge on the name, depending on your field.

Re: No one wants to have kids anymore

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Real parents consistently make it clear how terrible having kids is. The childless among us hear every complaint and lament about how terrible it is. Why would we do that to ourselves?

Real parent, here. Having a son anchored me to the (land and planet)* in a very unexpected way. Formerly, there was always an option to chuck things and go somewhere else, but now whatever is in front of me I must deal with and make happen. It's not about what I want to do any more, but the first underlying thought behind everything I do is how it will affect my son and family. Lots of former options are closed. I ca…

Hmmmm... not exactly an endorsement for parenting...
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