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No one wants to have kids anymore

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Re: No one wants to have kids anymore

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> Don't fool yourself; we're not overpopulating ourselves to global economic and environmental meltdown;

Yes we are. Yes. We. Are.

Let it happen. I'll start panicking if the human population is still decreasing at 100 million. But for now, we are still growing.

Re: No one wants to have kids anymore

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As well written and funny as the article is it still finds itself in a tunnel vision scenario because if the population is rising continuously and no one wants to have kids anymore then where are all these extra kids coming from?

Re: No one wants to have kids anymore

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I think it cliche to believe it's strictly a financial decision. In fact, in the West (afaik) the middle and upper class have a lower birth rates than those below them.

Not to get subjective and fuzzy but children are a symbol of hope and promise. Any reasonable adult who is considering children has to ask themselve how to answer when the child asks, "Why? Why did you bring me into *this* world?"

Who has a good answer for that at this point?

Re: No one wants to have kids anymore

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post #3

As well written and funny as the article is it still finds itself in a tunnel vision scenario because if the population is rising continuously and no one wants to have kids anymore then where are all these extra kids coming from?

As Yogi Berra said, “Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded.”

Re: No one wants to have kids anymore

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post #3

As well written and funny as the article is it still finds itself in a tunnel vision scenario because if the population is rising continuously and no one wants to have kids anymore then where are all these extra kids coming from?

Because usually population means US and sometimes you can include Europe.

Re: No one wants to have kids anymore

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> Don't fool yourself; we're not overpopulating ourselves to global economic and environmental meltdown; Yes we are. Yes. We. Are. Let it happen. I'll start panicking if the human population is still decreasing at 100 million. But for now, we are still growing.

Humans are not “fungible”. Therefore:

- Immigration will alter the societal outcomes of a region, for “better” or “worse”, as the region chooses

- Destruction of productive and healthy societies by prolific but unhealthy ones will cause widespread harm.

- Failure to reproduce at replacement levels won’t show up as a disaster until many years after it is too late to correct it.

Wouldn’t it be better to aim to reduce harm and increase productivity, than to blanket reduce the overall population?

Re: No one wants to have kids anymore

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post #3

As well written and funny as the article is it still finds itself in a tunnel vision scenario because if the population is rising continuously and no one wants to have kids anymore then where are all these extra kids coming from?

Population growth is both more kids being born, and people living longer.

We're now in the people living longer stage.

Hans Rosling did a simple demonstration of this with boxes over a decade ago.

https://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_global_population_gro...

edit: better illustration of the point, still Hans with Boxes here:

https://youtu.be/2LyzBoHo5EI?t=203

Re: No one wants to have kids anymore

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I think it cliche to believe it's strictly a financial decision. In fact, in the West (afaik) the middle and upper class have a lower birth rates than those below them. Not to get subjective and fuzzy but children are a symbol of hope and promise. Any reasonable adult who is considering children has to ask themselve how to answer when the child asks, "Why? Why did you bring me into *this* world?" Who has a good answe…

Considering that it's the poorer people having more children it seems like the obvious answer is that most children are unplanned or the product of dim people with a figure it out later attitude.
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