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Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by Karunamon »

senko wrote: post #220
alexb_ wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Monsanto is great, because you can immediately know that someone is just regurgitating points when they mention the company. Monsanto hasn't existed for years. And patents run out. Being concerned about patents is a very weak argument against technology which saves lives around the world (using non patented crops, no less!) and is responsible for allowing more people to eat healthier food.

> Monsanto hasn't existed for years. Of course it has, Bayer just tried to ditch the bad brand image: > The closing sets the stage for the 117-year-old agribusiness brand name “Monsanto” to be dropped by Bayer. Monsanto’s efforts to promote genetically modified crops have been the subject of much controversy from anti-GMO activists, and the U.S. company has spent millions of dollars over the years on brand and corpor…

It would be nice if people would differentiate between Facebook (the social network, a specific application) and Meta (a company that owns the aforementioned application and many others).

There is a useful tell here when someone uses the old name for the wrong purpose, it can be a flag that the person is possibly operating under old information. Anyways, if you want to remove all ambiguity and also signal that you know and aren't falling for the rebrand as reputation washing, just mention them both: Meta nee Facebook, Bayer nee Monsanto

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by rcarr »

fleddr wrote: post #180

A lot of people in the comments are making a hard distinction between AI garbage/bullshit and the pure/genuine human-created thing, and the various ways in which we can keep this distinction alive. If only that was true, the bullshit part. You should start living with the idea that the AI generated content is NOT bullshit, because we're either already there or very close to it. The AI content will be of value, look g…

Alternative take:

No-one likes being lied to. AI is the ultimate deception. People will stop using the internet for anything other than information retrieval for problems.

Artists will create on digital tools and then return to analogue publishing formats and distribution networks. People will follow them because artists are cool and tech bros aren’t. There will be an emphasis on becoming a local success story rather than a global one.

You can already see this happening some what. Vinyl records are increasing sales every year. People are getting tired of Spotify and are buying on bandcamp. Typewriters are growing in use. Digital book sales have stalled and people are buying paper books again.

I think this will become a new social identifier, particularly for those on the left of the political spectrum.

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Post by EamonnMR »

fleddr wrote: post #180

A lot of people in the comments are making a hard distinction between AI garbage/bullshit and the pure/genuine human-created thing, and the various ways in which we can keep this distinction alive. If only that was true, the bullshit part. You should start living with the idea that the AI generated content is NOT bullshit, because we're either already there or very close to it. The AI content will be of value, look g…

But you out the solution right there in your prediction. We need updated licenses that forbid the use in AI training and real teeth if it can be shown that content was illegally used in a training set.

It might be too late with the amount of data already ingested, but, hell, second best time to plant a tree and all that.

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Post by pixl97 »

dsign wrote: post #152

As others have pointed out, AI's are not needed to produce crappy repetition which is eagerly gobbled by the masses, i.e. Hollywood, Netflix, and werewolves and vampire stories by the penny. And there is a huge audience for those. What I think is going to happen is that even when I'm searching for information in subject X, I might need to fight through a lot of AI fluff to get anywhere. If that gets too bad, I may lo…

>AI's are not needed to produce crappy repetition which is eagerly gobbled by the masses

True, but humans that create this kind of crap still have to sleep, eat, and generally not pay attention to feeding the machine. meanwhile the AI terminator is out there, it can't be bargained with, it can't be reasoned with, it doesn't feel pity or remorse or fear, and it absolutely will not stop… EVER, until you are buried in an ocean of garbage content.

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Post by TeMPOraL »

bcrosby95 wrote: post #293
TeMPOraL wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone is (rightfully) picking on your GMO example, but I want to address something else: > Today, it's self-evident to us as consumers when a product is cheap, low-quality, manufactured garbage from China. Correct. > In many cases we can choose to spend more and buy a handmade or custom version of the product we want. Not quite. It's increasingly hard to find a version of a product that's not low-quality garbage -…

I feel this so much in my life. I used to be a mid price buyer but eventually what I bought ended up in the "expensive, but still crap" category far too many times. Now I just buy crap all the time, it lasts just as long, and at least I know I'm getting what I pay for.

Right. I still try to look for mid-prace quality goods, but in the recent years, I've started to realize it often had bad ROI.

What's extra annoying is that companies are burning brands on this, and as they're transitioning from selling quality goods to peddling cheap crap, they of course don't tell you about it. Instead, you see metal being swapped for plastics, screws for glue, assembly being worse and worse - while their marketing departments double down on highlighting how pretty, modern, quality and smart this years' model is.

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Post by somrand0 »

ryandrake wrote: post #213
baxtr wrote: post #184

Sorry, I had to do it. I asked GPT3... How can we prevent drowning in garbage generated by AI? > Preventing drowning in AI-generated garbage can be a challenging task, but there are a few things that can be done to reduce the amount of garbage that is generated. One approach is to carefully design and train AI systems to generate high-quality content, rather than relying on large amounts of data to produce mediocre r…

I notice it did not offer a solution that involves outright banning itself… The ghost in the machine is showing

because maybe it understands that banning stuff is not to be done lightly. any action that restricts anyone's individual freedom must be very carefully vetted.

because without freedom we will die. but this also applies to the corporations whose rights are now in opposition with our own human individual necessities.

if I want to gift a copy of a copyrighted material owned by a corporation, I can still do it, but it's getting more difficult; and I in fact may well be prosecuted criminally for doing that. this is an example of my right to do what I want (give a copied gift) stands in opposition with the right of a corporation to get its way. I fear human individuals are losing this battle.

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Post by pixl97 »

qubex wrote: post #17
nottorp wrote: post #13

What I really wonder is: is there a correlation between consumption of streaming tv series and positive attitude towards this "AI" wave? "statistical mean of everything uploaded by humans on the internet which fits certain criteria" applies to both ChatGPT/StableDiffusion and most movie series on streaming TV. My pet theory is that if you can stomach watching the same stories with different skins hundreds of times, y…

I’m 41 and I’m utterly baffled by my 24 year-old SO’s interest in binging an apparently infinite litany of TV shows from streaming services. I’ve watched the first six seasons of Game Of Thrones, the first season of Dark, all of The Expanse (reading the last book of the final trilogy now), His Dark Materials (because I read the books) and Andor. That’s it. I watched some Star Trek TNG & DS9 as a kid and was horrified…

If there is infinite content you will dislike an infinite amount of it. Infinities are weird that way.

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Post by sgt101 »

I hit a great example; got my Tesla to the garage and they asked me to put it jack mode.

I couldn't find it, Google's first result said categorically that the Model 3 required a jack mode... I realised that it was auto generated junk and searched through a few pages and found something solid that showed me that it didn't.

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Post by chias »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #266
tylerrobinson wrote: post #123

I see parallels here with industrialization and automation in manufacturing and food production. Today, it's self-evident to us as consumers when a product is cheap, low-quality, manufactured garbage from China. In many cases we can choose to spend more and buy a handmade or custom version of the product we want. In the future we might knowingly consume AI-generated cheap text for some purposes and opt for "the real…

Everyone is (rightfully) picking on your GMO example, but I want to address something else: > Today, it's self-evident to us as consumers when a product is cheap, low-quality, manufactured garbage from China. Correct. > In many cases we can choose to spend more and buy a handmade or custom version of the product we want. Not quite. It's increasingly hard to find a version of a product that's not low-quality garbage -…

As somebody who would ordinarily look for products in this "more expensive, reasonable quality" category, I feel this comment so hard :(

I've actually started building my own furniture from raw wood etc. just because it's impossible to find anything that costs less than $1000 that isn't just cardboard and MDF with a veneer. At least with furniture there's a market for "solid wood". But in so many other industries you get to pick between $3 garbage in a $0.20 box for $5, and $3 garbage in a $5 box for $20.

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