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Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by pixl97 »

baandam wrote: post #137
keiferski wrote: post #11

People really love to make predictions about technologies way too early. It’s been a year or two, tops, since this stuff has gone mainstream. I very much doubt that the consumer ecosystem will remain the same while content undergoes an AI-powered paradigm shift. We will most likely see a growth of curated sites that help weed out the nonsense, as has been typical for most new developments. And on that note, I think t…

I we have already seen this play out in music though. Computers let anyone record music when it use to cost thousands of dollars to record music. The results have been a disaster outside the top 1% of music makers. Such a dramatic change that anyone under 30 doesn't even know what has been lost at this point. Music as a whole is laughably less creative as "popular" / pop music established total dominance. The money a…

This seems like a failure in statistics.

Lets say in 1 year 10 songs are created and 2 of them are 'creative'. You'd think that 20% of music is creative.

Now lets say we have the production explosion and now in 1 year 100 songs are created and 4 of them are creative. You would think creativity has fallen off a cliff when it has really doubled.

In addition trying to compare with the previous payola ridden system were winners and losers systematically chosen by a wealthy cabal seems rather asinine. It only worked because there was a limited number of radio stations mostly. Even if production costs stayed high, distribution costs dropping would have changed the model dramatically anyway.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by fnordpiglet »

keiferski wrote: post #34
sorokod wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that happened, but who cares? It also allowed creative people to make stuff without needing a huge budget Is it not too early to make predictions?

Filmmaking devices have gotten cheaper consistently over the last ~50 years. I don’t know about you, but I think some pretty good movies have come out since 1970, especially by directors working on very low budgets.

“It’s too early to make predictions. Here’s my prediction”

^^^ I think this is what the response meant. I noticed it too, you castigated folks for making predictions then led into your own :-) a real AI wouldn’t do that!

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by gibspaulding »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #15

In just the past couple of weeks, I've noticed lots of machine generated cooking recipes. They follow the typical SEO pandering blog format, where there's an unnecessary story about the author's trip somewhere or their child's school play being the inspiration for making this particular recipe, followed by the actual recipe details. The machine generated stories are even more pointless and meandering than what humans…

Holy crap. I just got an account with OpenAI set up last night so I've been looking for interesting prompts to play with. Can't say I'm going to try the recipe, but this looks at least as good as most blog-spam recipe sites.

Prompt: Write a recipe and blog post for onion soup.

GPT3 Response: Onion soup is a classic comfort food that can be enjoyed at any time of year. It’s a simple and delicious dish that comes together quickly and is sure to satisfy even the pickiest of eaters. Plus, it’s a great way to use up any extra onions you may have lying around! Today, I’m going to share with you my favorite recipe for onion soup.

To make this soup, you’ll need:

-4 large onions, sliced -4 tablespoons butter -4 cups chicken broth -1 teaspoon dried thyme -Salt and pepper to taste

First, melt the butter in a large pot over medium heat. Add the onions and cook until softened and lightly browned, about 8-10 minutes.

Next, add the chicken broth, thyme, and salt and pepper. Bring the mixture to a boil, then reduce the heat to low and simmer for 15 minutes.

Once the soup has simmered, it’s ready to serve. Ladle into bowls and enjoy with some crusty bread or a salad.

Onion soup is a simple and delicious dish that’s sure to please the whole family.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by fnordpiglet »

ergonaught wrote: post #33
sorokod wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that happened, but who cares? It also allowed creative people to make stuff without needing a huge budget Is it not too early to make predictions?

Your quote isn’t a prediction, but a direct observation of what occurred.

How about this:

People really love to make predictions about technologies way too early. It’s been a year or two, tops, since this stuff has gone mainstream.

Prediction: I very much doubt that the consumer ecosystem will remain the same while content undergoes an AI-powered paradigm shift. We will most likely see a growth of curated sites that help weed out the nonsense, as has been typical for most new developments.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by rdhyee »

EGreg wrote: post #113

Won’t help. This will be used at scale THIS YEAR and every subsequent year to infiltrate social networks including this one and amass points / karma / followers / clout. And also to write articles that will eventually dwarf all human-generated content. With this and deepfakes and image/video generation, the age of trusting or caring about internet content or your friends sharing online is coming to an end. But it wil…

I looked at your profile and see your platform qbix. I'd love to hear how you've been adapting your projects to this AI seachange.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by Nathanba »

notacoward wrote: post #205
baxtr wrote: post #184

Sorry, I had to do it. I asked GPT3... How can we prevent drowning in garbage generated by AI? > Preventing drowning in AI-generated garbage can be a challenging task, but there are a few things that can be done to reduce the amount of garbage that is generated. One approach is to carefully design and train AI systems to generate high-quality content, rather than relying on large amounts of data to produce mediocre r…

That's honestly one of the best comments in this entire thread. Instead of veering predictably into philosophy or anecdote, it provides concrete and feasible steps toward improvement. No better way to make the point that "AI generated" is not the problem and "garbage" is.

I find the AI competition to be yet another powerful reminder that all that matters are results. I can't count how much time I've spent being angry at people in my life, even though I always knew that it was stupid. Angry at bad docs, bad programmers, bad decisions, their inability to think or understand or care or feel. Now the AI removes it all. The AI generates truth out of thin air faster than any human can invent a lie about it. The AI simply generates good docs from bad docs, all the anger was always irrelevant.

People were never going to become better, once again technology simply creates a world where people are automatically better by the mere fact that life is so much easier that the humans have no justification anymore to lie and cheat and pretend that the docs were actually always good and how I'm the problem. Nope, the AI just fixes it immediately and the human can remain lazy and ignorant, never the wiser that he actually failed at his job. I think it will be wonderful, no longer will we have to argue with e.g c++ programmers about whether their language is bad. The AI will make it instantly obvious that you won't want to risk programming in this nonsense. No longer will we have to debate people on whether some political issue is right or wrong. The AI will generate so many truths out of thin air that it counters the DDOS of bad people's lies faster than they can spin lies. Once again technology is going to save us from human nature, humans are allowed to remain silently bad.

And the best part: Bad people are usually lazy, they will trust the AI far more than they ever trust other bad people or themselves. They will simply start blindly trusting the AI, which is better than what we have now: Them inventing their own lies and trusting themselves.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by otikik »

Mountain_Skies wrote: post #15

In just the past couple of weeks, I've noticed lots of machine generated cooking recipes. They follow the typical SEO pandering blog format, where there's an unnecessary story about the author's trip somewhere or their child's school play being the inspiration for making this particular recipe, followed by the actual recipe details. The machine generated stories are even more pointless and meandering than what humans…

AI-generated First Aid instructions.

AI-generated alternative cancer treatments.

Hugh.

Re: Drowning in AI Generated Garbage: the silent war we are fighting

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Post by jasonwatkinspdx »

tejohnso wrote: post #228
tylerrobinson wrote: post #123

I see parallels here with industrialization and automation in manufacturing and food production. Today, it's self-evident to us as consumers when a product is cheap, low-quality, manufactured garbage from China. In many cases we can choose to spend more and buy a handmade or custom version of the product we want. In the future we might knowingly consume AI-generated cheap text for some purposes and opt for "the real…

> GMO food supporters point out that GMOs help us feed more people That seems like an odd thing to point out to me. More people is not an obviously positive thing for us or the planet. And we have enough food and wealth for everyone as it is. If feeding more people were the priority, it could be addressed in other ways. I think the primary motive behind GMO is increased control and profit. I guess I shouldn't be surp…

This is overly simplistic and conspiratory. Yes, Monsanto is evil, but that doesn't mean everyone involved in GMOs is, or that's the only motivation. Look up the argument over golden rice.

It's also ridiculous to just hand wave away crop productivity improvements with "but we already have enough food." We aren't going to revolutionize global food distribution any time soon, but we can do things that have concrete impact right now. We're also losing land to agriculture far too fast, particularly in the amazon. We need to be decreasing the amount of land used by agriculture, and GMOs are a very powerful tool in that interest.

GMOs need to be regulated, and I think the IP regime that Monsanto is protected by should be struct down (not that I expect that any time soon). But please don't wave away the entire discussion with strawman arguments.

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