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Re: Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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Post by shapefrog » Mon, Dec 05, 2022, 10:57 AM UTC

cypress66 wrote: post #115

shapefrog wrote: post #53

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A lot of people like to give Leonardo da Vinci credit for the Mona Lisa, but no one gives credit to Laurence des Cars (President of Louvre) for getting 10million people to visit to see it in 2022.

The louvre doesn't repaint the Mona Lisa each year. They don't even directly make the exhibitions on rotation that keeps people returning.

They constantly do work on The Mona Lisa and even put a new frame on it in the 1970s because people were holding it wrong.

They dont track the version number in the same way, but I would speculate that it is The Mona Lisa 68(s)

Re: Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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Post by DiogenesKynikos » Mon, Dec 05, 2022, 11:31 AM UTC

pistoriusp wrote: post #167

JZM8yKnRvGv wrote: post #157

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According to stats there are 1.3 million people incarcerated in China. If incarceration rates in China were similar to those in USA it should be 10.3 million people. It would be pretty hard to hide them. USA are by far the number one country in the World for jail population and for incarceration rates, worse even than Putin's Russia. They would love to share the top step of the podium with someone else if they could…

Does this include the 12.8 million Uyghurs in China?

This is what a walk down the street in Urumqi looks like: [0].

It's possible to talk about Xinjiang without going over into hyperbole.

0. https://youtu.be/_OMaUIC4Om8

Re: Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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Post by lenkite » Mon, Dec 05, 2022, 11:44 AM UTC

Qtips87 wrote: post #281

wellthisisgreat wrote: post #278

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Could you please expand a bit on the land-grabbing part? I would love to learn more.

https://blog.supplysideliberal.com/post/136236833245/expansi... You're welcome.

Dear lord, so many absolute lies on that page that 5 min of basic, simple research will invalidate.

I snorted at this:

"An earlier example is India’s creation of the Tamil Tigers which plunged Sri Lanka into many years of civil war."

That's like stating the US founded the Nazi party and ran the Schutzstaffel. Absolute rot.

Re: Apple to move 40-45% iPhone production to India

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Post by peoplefromibiza » Mon, Dec 05, 2022, 11:49 AM UTC

pistoriusp wrote: post #167

JZM8yKnRvGv wrote: post #157

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According to stats there are 1.3 million people incarcerated in China. If incarceration rates in China were similar to those in USA it should be 10.3 million people. It would be pretty hard to hide them. USA are by far the number one country in the World for jail population and for incarceration rates, worse even than Putin's Russia. They would love to share the top step of the podium with someone else if they could…

Does this include the 12.8 million Uyghurs in China?

Some source to backup this number? Are they actually in prison?

IMO the fact that we should be skeptic about China official stats means that we should also refrain from throwing random numbers at the wall hoping it will make China look bad.

BTW, two wrongs don't make a right, it's not about what they do wrong, it's about what we do better, like for example, is Guantanamo acceptable in a western democracy?

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Post by peoplefromibiza » Mon, Dec 05, 2022, 11:53 AM UTC

torben-friis wrote: post #180

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> What aspect of China makes the West look like a 'backwater'? Compare China homicide rates to USA. Or China incarceration rate to USA incarceration rate.

I’d argue that most of the numbers you’ll find apply to the US, not to the west. The US is pretty much known everywhere for having third world shortcomings on specific areas.

I agree.

The problem is we as westerners are guilty by association.

I don't approve of the US methods, nonetheless they represent the west in most non westerner people eyes.

we all know that NATO==US even though it should be a coalition.

That's why I, as European, hope in a strong and independent EU, at least we'll make our own mistakes.

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Post by ignoramous » Mon, Dec 05, 2022, 12:05 PM UTC

latexr wrote: post #329

ignoramous wrote: post #300

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Not sure if you're trolling but this wasn't even hard to find: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Practices_of_Apple_Inc.#Manufa... I wish sometimes folks could see past their paychecks, privilege, and holier-than-thou attitude. That's too much to ask. I mean, better chances at holding Apple accountable than dealing with its notorious fanbois.

When you insult someone in your argument, their instinct will be to clam up and double down to defend themselves even if intellectually they’d agree with you. If you truly wish to enact change in another’s point of view, allow them the emotional safe space to explore and turn around their views. Be honest and show you’re willing to work with them against the problem . Otherwise you end up with a frustrating shouting…

Agree. Though, when you see words like "abstract obscurantist nonsense", you know those kind of folks like it straight and wouldn't want it any other way.

That said, in the second-half of that comment (which might come off as argumentum ad hominem), I was speaking in generalities, and not about one particular person.

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Post by tw1984 » Mon, Dec 05, 2022, 12:10 PM UTC

mikymoothrowa wrote: post #161

guessbest wrote: post #153

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Looks like the Chinese android phone that has the most traction are BBK models, not Huawei. > But we must keep in mind BBK has multiple players in the game. Two of their brands make it to the top list in market share data. Oppo and Vivo each hold 10%, equating to a total of 20%. https://www.androidauthority.com/bbk-phone-manufacturer-8088...

Huawei designs its own ARM based chips and modems that BBK and Xiaomi do not. Unrelated: India and SEA are where a good majority of these BBK phones are sold. And BBK tapped into the PPI scheme of India to start manufacturing in India > 3 years ago. Most phones sold in India are made in India.

> India and SEA are where a good majority of these BBK phones are sold.

Those BBK phones have a huge presence in China, you can pretty much find their shops in every mall and every major street. I'd be surprised if the majority are sold outside of China. They are in general shitty phones trying to rip off people who are not into tech, I mean you can easily get like 1-2 generation older hardware when compared with Xiaomi while paying the same prices. back in around 2015, they were called "factory girl's phone", meaning their target group is those young females working as labors in factories. They normally don't care what is the spec of the new phone, they just want the phone with the most popular selfie features their friends have, that created a lot of profit room for phone makers and BBK took that market.

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Post by peoplefromibiza » Mon, Dec 05, 2022, 12:11 PM UTC

philwelch wrote: post #254

wil421 wrote: post #221

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China has less prisoners and the fastest wait times for organ transplants.

Also, China’s incarceration rates don’t count people who have been welded into their apartments under the zero-COVID policy.

> Also, China’s incarceration rates don’t count people who have been welded into their apartments under the zero-COVID policy

Do you know any Country that counts that?

For example, does the US count the penal labor as labor camps?

Potato potato.

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Post by zimmund » Mon, Dec 05, 2022, 12:42 PM UTC

duxup wrote: post #200

achenatx wrote: post #197

wish the biden administration would give manufacturers a tax break to manufacture in south america. It would enrich our neighbors to the south and possibly put a dent in drug trafficking and illegal immigration. Making asia rich doesnt help us nearly as much as making south america rich.

Is South America a viable place to setup this kind of manufacturing? Mexico has a lot of car / parts manufacturing as far as I know but beyond that I don’t know.

Mexico is not South America...

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Post by ascotan » Mon, Dec 05, 2022, 1:58 PM UTC

fyresala wrote: post #26

iPhone made in China is no better than the cotton from Xinjiang. Earlier the reports are workers in the China iPhone factory had a protest and brutal conflict with the local police. Reasons varied from unbearable working condition, the zero-covid policy, and being deceived about the compensation. After the local police oppressed the campaign, the government assigned headcounts to local villages, demanding them to fil…

Maybe but as long as there is a trade war between the US and China, China seems to be a bad place to make iphones. Apples contractors need to find another place to due business so they dont take a hit to their bottom lines.