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I wish we could fix whatever prevents this from happening at scale in Mexico, too (with some high value production in the US and potentially Canada as well, and maybe some other supplies coming from the elsewhere in the Americas.). I wonder if it is infrastructure, regulation, labor, or what.
You may think a Mexican (or a Canadian) is a cheap / poor worker - but that is simply because you can not comprehend small wage numbers.
Three hundred thousand workers work at a factory in China to make iPhones? I didn't realise how massive the production line is, considering they have a 23% market share, and the rest is all Android lead by Samsung. I am always surprised that Apple (or other Western tech giants) never considered building backup factories. Did they never think about geopolitics or natural disasters and panamics? Apart from that iPhone…
> Did they never think about geopolitics or natural disasters and panamics? Not being ironic, apparently those "global MBA" types never heard of that. Their world view is probably also on continent-level and a couple of countries where labour is cheaper
People love to give Jony Ive and Steve Jobs credit for the iPhone but no one gives Tim Cook credit for keep making the iPhone the most desirable product in the world in 2022.
iPhone made in China is no better than the cotton from Xinjiang. Earlier the reports are workers in the China iPhone factory had a protest and brutal conflict with the local police. Reasons varied from unbearable working condition, the zero-covid policy, and being deceived about the compensation. After the local police oppressed the campaign, the government assigned headcounts to local villages, demanding them to fil…
I doubt it. The disadvantages of being dependant on a single source are well-understood in 2022.
iPhone made in China is no better than the cotton from Xinjiang. Earlier the reports are workers in the China iPhone factory had a protest and brutal conflict with the local police. Reasons varied from unbearable working condition, the zero-covid policy, and being deceived about the compensation. After the local police oppressed the campaign, the government assigned headcounts to local villages, demanding them to fil…
I don't know where people get the idea people are semi-enslaved in factories.. Having lived in China, in my second hand experience Chinese worker protection laws are quite strict. Somewhere between US and Europe. It's not really easy to fire people and people regularly sue their employers and win. The legal system is generally very heavily biased towards the little guy I just feel really bad for these people. They pr…
The fact 996 is illegal and still practiced and complained about and censored… makes any existence of protection laws being strict null and void.
Apple will end up moving 0% to India. Tiny manufacturing in India is a token. India is a very noisy democracy with absolute freedom of movement . Corporate slave labor in tens of thousands impossible in India.
iPhone made in China is no better than the cotton from Xinjiang. Earlier the reports are workers in the China iPhone factory had a protest and brutal conflict with the local police. Reasons varied from unbearable working condition, the zero-covid policy, and being deceived about the compensation. After the local police oppressed the campaign, the government assigned headcounts to local villages, demanding them to fil…
> Apple and many westerners never understand the risk and the ethics implication of doing business in China. Apple industrial partners are all asians. Samsung and the like don't do any better regarding ethics. Not sure why the divide with the "ignorant west" is necessary in your argument. Of course people at Apple understand the risk, and it is taken into account to generate as much profit as possible.
You can rightfully complain about labor practices in other Asian countries, but forced labor from concentration camps is a uniquely Chinese atrocity.
iPhone made in China is no better than the cotton from Xinjiang. Earlier the reports are workers in the China iPhone factory had a protest and brutal conflict with the local police. Reasons varied from unbearable working condition, the zero-covid policy, and being deceived about the compensation. After the local police oppressed the campaign, the government assigned headcounts to local villages, demanding them to fil…
Only way to fundamentally fix it will be to introduce a new Iron Curtain where we will "not trade with anyone we don't control", and that might work after a few frustrating years of high inflation and shortages, but will be too politically costly to try.
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I don't know where people get the idea people are semi-enslaved in factories.. Having lived in China, in my second hand experience Chinese worker protection laws are quite strict. Somewhere between US and Europe. It's not really easy to fire people and people regularly sue their employers and win. The legal system is generally very heavily biased towards the little guy I just feel really bad for these people. They pr…
> Chinese worker protection laws are quite strict. The fact 996 is illegal and still practiced and complained about and censored… makes any existence of protection laws being strict null and void.
Sounds similar.
iPhone made in China is no better than the cotton from Xinjiang. Earlier the reports are workers in the China iPhone factory had a protest and brutal conflict with the local police. Reasons varied from unbearable working condition, the zero-covid policy, and being deceived about the compensation. After the local police oppressed the campaign, the government assigned headcounts to local villages, demanding them to fil…
I basically agree with you on all points. But can we please drop this "civilized world" term? I suggest "democratic world".