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Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by krschultz »

briansmith wrote: post #90
unalone wrote: post #81

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No. I've played with Ubuntu in each iteration, and its level of polish is on a magnitude below what Apple's doing. Compared to Windows, it's very nice: I'd pick Ubuntu over Vista at this point without hesitation. But OS X has polish to a level that's uncanny: it's the sort where I'm still finding out new things about my computer that make my life slightly easier every day. It's really beyond comparison to other opera…

Ubuntu is not more polished than even Windows XP. The main things keeping me from switching my day-to-day work to my Ubuntu partition are (1) text rendering, (2) reliability, (3) battery life, and (4) Lenovo's Thinkvantage tools. Windows XP absolutely kills Ubuntu in these aspects.

1) That has changed recently with the addition of the Liberation fonts, but I agree - a few months back it was a hack

2) What? I don't think many people will agree with you on that aspect. The fact that most Linux crashes you can just reset X and be back at the login screen, where as a Windows crash needs a full reboot means that even if Linux did crash more often - which I don't think it does - you spend less time getting screwed

3) Really? I haven't found much of a difference on my Dell laptop.

and 4) Probably true

Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by krschultz »

boredguy8 wrote: post #47
turtle_2 wrote: post #33

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Put a noose around its neck, huh? Jobs returned to Apple and changed its direction about 10 years ago. - Go to: http://finance.google.com/finance?q=AAPL - Click the 10 yr time frame. - Click the check box to add MSFT to the same graph. - Tell me again how bad of a job Steve has been doing, and how it hasn't meant anything to MSFT. Now some more ycombinator specific points. When you get together with a bunch of web st…

It hasn't. Microsoft's growth has remained relatively stable since it's growth from '95 to 2000. Apple has almost zero impact from '98 to 2005, which is where we start to see the stock perform well.

Economics FAIL. -0.5% growth over 10 year is a loss of money because you are falling behind inflation. Based on their market cap Microsoft is shrinking at a rate of 2-3% a year in real dollars while Apple is growing off the charts. You can't say that the falling Windows brand is not a direct cause of that, and Apple's contrast with Microsoft helps that. Apple's growth has more to do with the iPod than OS X, but OS X has a lot more to do with Windows falling image than anything else.

Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by krschultz »

wizlb wrote: post #109
YuriNiyazov wrote: post #88

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Actually... yes; and, I daresay, comes out on top. Having lost countless hours of my life debugging .NET Framework installation problems (yay, installer ran and finished. Why isn't this damn thing showing up in my list of components?), I have to say that never spend nearly that much debugging silly installation issues with Python and MySQL.

I never had any issue with the .Net framework installation, but I'll take your word for it. I guess I just feel spoiled by Visual Studio, while every time I start something in Python I feel like I have to spend so much time trying to find quality tools to make it do what I want. It just doesn't feel like a very complete solution to me.

2nd that, the .Net installer was a big problem at my former company. Can't say Python is any better, but to say .Net is perfect shows you haven't seen it used in a lot of places.

Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by krschultz »

briansmith wrote: post #44
raganwald wrote: post #29

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If you look at Win7 as "Fixing Vista" --> which in some/lots of ways it is - then I'd guess that MS are spending more on "fixing" than on advertising I considered that argument, but note that they are still pushing Vista to consumers and businesses, hard. So I think the ad is fair in that it discusses what MSFT is doing to Vista itself. If MSFT's $300 million was spent telling consumers to hang onto XP and wait for W…

What exactly is wrong with Windows Vista? I actually want to get Vista so I can get UAC.

I had hardware and software problems with it, and the software problems continue today so I'm on Linux/XP dual boot to work around these deficiencies. When Vista works it is great, it just doesn't always work.

Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by briansmith »

krschultz wrote: post #141
briansmith wrote: post #90

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Ubuntu is not more polished than even Windows XP. The main things keeping me from switching my day-to-day work to my Ubuntu partition are (1) text rendering, (2) reliability, (3) battery life, and (4) Lenovo's Thinkvantage tools. Windows XP absolutely kills Ubuntu in these aspects.

1) That has changed recently with the addition of the Liberation fonts, but I agree - a few months back it was a hack 2) What? I don't think many people will agree with you on that aspect. The fact that most Linux crashes you can just reset X and be back at the login screen, where as a Windows crash needs a full reboot means that even if Linux did crash more often - which I don't think it does - you spend less time g…

1) No fonts for Linux compare with Microsoft's ClearType fonts (the C* fonts). And, Ubuntu's anti-aliasing still isn't nearly as good as Windows's or Mac OS X's, as of Ubuntu 8.

2) My Windows XP machine hasn't crashed once since I've had it (over two years). Ubuntu 6, 7, and 8 have all consistently crashed when resuming from hibernate on my laptop (Lenovo T60, one of the most common in the world).

3) Ubuntu 8 usually runs about 45 minutes to an hour less than Windows XP on my laptop's battery.

Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by cubicle67 »

mixmax wrote: post #7

Now if apple would only realise that quicktime on the net has lost out to flash I would be able to wacth this. Quicktime reminds me of realplayer: buggy on PC's, runs lots of processes in the background I didn't ask for and requires me to install itunes which I don't want.

Irony: I can't view this link on an iPhone

Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by jagjit »

jagjit wrote: post #139

These ads are getting more and more lame. As a fulltime programmer and xp and vista user - I never felt the need to use macs but for their unix base and cool design. Considered buying one recently but settled for a vista pc with much better configuration at half the price. It has been running great for me with not a single issue in past 6 months. For any need of unix system, I run ubuntu or freebsd vmware appliances…

And a crazy apple fanboy wants to vote my opinion down - why dont people like me just get it already.

I guess these ads have an audience after all. But then it is a waste of the apple advertising dollar to preach to the choir.

Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by olefoo »

jagjit wrote: post #147
jagjit wrote: post #139

These ads are getting more and more lame. As a fulltime programmer and xp and vista user - I never felt the need to use macs but for their unix base and cool design. Considered buying one recently but settled for a vista pc with much better configuration at half the price. It has been running great for me with not a single issue in past 6 months. For any need of unix system, I run ubuntu or freebsd vmware appliances…

And a crazy apple fanboy wants to vote my opinion down - why dont people like me just get it already. I guess these ads have an audience after all. But then it is a waste of the apple advertising dollar to preach to the choir.

One very cynical view is that Apple is mostly in the business of selling 'Taste'. As such, confirming to customers who purchase many, many Apple products over the years that they are somehow better than those who lack their refined sensibilities is not wasted money.

Re: Apple responds to "I'm a PC"

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Post by pg »

mattmaroon wrote: post #92
wizlb wrote: post #77

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And Apple's full of angels right?

The only difference between the two is that Microsoft was far more successful. Apple would have done everything people complain about Microsoft doing and more. They basically have in the couple product areas where they've had similar success.

I think you may be too young to remember what Microsoft was like in the 1980s, but this isn't true. The companies had very different personalities. Apple was always about making great things, whereas Microsoft's path was to ruthlessly exploit the monopoly that IBM dropped in their lap.

That path made Microsoft more successful in the short term (particularly after Jobs was exiled) but in the long term making good things seems to be the winning strategy.

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