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Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by threeseed »

textbookrental wrote: post #122
vletal wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any evidence?

Not really. I just noticed that yesterday one of the top stories on HN was coinbase vs Apple. Yet earlier in the week there were hardly any stories of Elon vs Apple. Obviously Elon declaring war on Apple was the much bigger story. People on twitter were ready to burn their iPhones in support. It even had politicians threatening to get congress to go after Apple on behalf of Elon.

I have to agree with this.

So much has been going with Twitter that it was odd that nothing appeared on HN.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by dmix »

threeseed wrote: post #279
dmix wrote: post #177

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You can still choose who you follow on Twitter. It seems to be moving back towards that idea, which is good. It's pretty easy to avoid political bullshit if you are careful with following. For years Twitter used to make it impossibly hard to switch to just "latest tweets" instead of their awful recommendation feed which include likes/rts of people you don't even follow. No wonder Twitter became such a heated trainwre…

Not sure if you've used Twitter. But the default behaviour is for you to see the Home feed which is populated with people you don't follow. So it is mostly just random topics and tweets from the most controversial people associated with that topic. So you do see political bullshit. A lot of it in fact because Musk is clearly trying to juice the engagement numbers and having lots of controversial political tweets is a…

Really? Maybe my Twitter UI is different than yours because my default home page is now "Latest Tweets" by default.

I never see likes/RTs by people I don't follow anymore.

After years of the homepage being AI-feed only (lists were the only chronological alternative) they finally added a small button in the top right corner to change to chronological aka Latest Tweets by default. Now the default options are "Latest Tweets" and "Retweets". I don't see an option to switch back to the AI feed w/ non-following content?

https://i.imgur.com/MaRjbcX.png

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by throwawayacc4 »

kbelder wrote: post #166
musk_micropenis wrote: post #78

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HN is much more heavily moderated than those websites. Which is a good thing, it's why conversations here tend to be of a higher quality. I don't think the HN style of moderation would scale to places like Reddit even if they wanted it.

HN is moderated more in terms of tone, much less in terms of ideology.

This is true, I agree. Reddit is heavily moderated in both.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by shadowgovt »

stcroixx wrote: post #179
themitigating wrote: post #96

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I'm referring to pre musk ban. The exact tweet was “I’m a bit sleepy tonight but when I wake up I’m going death con 3 On JEWISH PEOPLE,” Someone was proposing incitement to violence has a threahold etc. This to me is clearly incitement to violence. Some have claimed he didn't know what "death con" (defcon) means to which I say what could he have possibly meant. It's on Jewish People.

Defcon is a defense term indicating a level of preparedness. I don't see how it could possibly be argued that preparation and an incitement to violence are the same thing. Words matter even if he doesn't know what they mean. Would be very interesting to see that attempted. Personally, I think he probably meant something else that very likely could have been closer to an incitement of violence, but he doesn't have the…

We can't convict them, but we can absolutely ban them from a social media network. The threshold for that is far lower than legal deprivation of liberties.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by threeseed »

dmix wrote: post #282
threeseed wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure if you've used Twitter. But the default behaviour is for you to see the Home feed which is populated with people you don't follow. So it is mostly just random topics and tweets from the most controversial people associated with that topic. So you do see political bullshit. A lot of it in fact because Musk is clearly trying to juice the engagement numbers and having lots of controversial political tweets is a…

Really? Maybe my Twitter UI is different than yours because my default home page is now "Latest Tweets" by default. I never see likes/RTs by people I don't follow anymore. After years of the homepage being AI-feed only (lists were the only chronological alternative) they finally added a small button in the top right corner to change to chronological aka Latest Tweets by default. Now the default options are "Latest Tw…

On Web and iOS it is a star button in the top right that switches between Home and Latest.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by hairofadog »

Dig1t wrote: post #243
tj-teej wrote: post #17

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It only goes against his "free speech thing" if his "free speech thing" was actually a coherent ideology. Instead his "free speech absolutism" is a brand, it's there to signal what kind of person he is, it's not a set of principles and therefore cannot stand up to scrutiny.

Well his free speech thing was also stated alongside the fact that he wanted to authenticate everybody. Free speech can work if real identities and reputations are clearly visible. Anonymity combined with free speech is what creates the places most normal people don't want to be.

On the other hand, both Ye and Alex Jones are banned under Musk.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by threeseed »

debacle wrote: post #259
someNameIG wrote: post #139

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Oh no, you got banned from those places for wearing a nazi armband, but there's multiple other roads, parks, and sidewalks, that allow that (e.g. 4chan), just as easily accessible.

Yesterday several of my friends were timed out on Facebook for criticizing Kanye because they linked to a rumble snippet/clip/whatever. That's about as ham fisted a censorship policy as you can have. Please don't be dismissive of valid free speech concerns. The open Internet is a critical feature of the kind of society I'd like to live in.

> The open Internet is a critical feature of the kind of society I'd like to live in

You don't get to dictate the kind of society other people want though.

And given the objective data we have people like moderated platforms.

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Post by krapp »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #213
atchoo wrote: post #147

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Oh don't get me wrong, they are both unacceptable and I haven't and don't want to see the symbol tweet. I personally find words more impactful, revealing of intent and suggesting action than symbols. I say arguable because I don't which was worse, or if it's a worthy discussion, but the deathcon tweet is enough for me to see an unwell/dangerous person that needs a ban just to save them from themselves let alone anyon…

Defcon levels have to do with defense not attack.

That isn't true in common parlance.

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Post by shadowgovt »

guerrilla wrote: post #114
jcranmer wrote: post #34

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I mean, the entire point of this article is that "free speech" is not a sufficient basis for content moderation. The history of social media platforms shows that not moderating away, well, "hateful speech" tends to lead to it drowning out all the other voices.

I agree, but can I start a side-branch here... Why is that exactly? Wish I could tag @dang.

The hypothesis is that hate speech is met with other speech in a free marketplace of ideas.

That hypothesis only functions if users are trapped in one conversational space. What happens instead is that users choose not to volunteer their time and labor to speak around or over those calling for their non-existence (or for the non-existence of their friends and loved ones) and go elsewhere... Taking their money and attention with them.

As those promulgating the hate speech tend to be a much smaller group than those who leave, it is in the selfish interest of most forums to police that kind of signal jamming to maximize their possible user-base. Otherwise, you end up with a forum full mostly of those dabbling in hate speech, which is (a) not particularly advertiser friendly, (b) hostile to further growth, and (c) not something most people who get into this gig find themselves proud of.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by nemo44x »

mikeyouse wrote: post #267
nemo44x wrote: post #193

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He was breaking the law in countries Twitter is in. Musk explicitly said you can’t break the law.

As others have pointed out, blasphemy is illegal in many countries that Twitter operates in. Are you advocating that Americans who blaspheme should be banned from Twitter because it's illegal in Saudi Arabia? Because otherwise this weird apology for Musk's hypocritical actions doesn't make any sense.

Twitter respects the EU laws more than KSA. In Germany, this type of thing is illegal for a computer network to host. In KSA it’s the individual that is subject to blasphemy law. If someone were to break that law and go to KSA then they would probably be tortured or killed.
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