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Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by someNameIG »

throwawayacc4 wrote: post #15
martythemaniak wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always wondered, what are people like you doing on HN anyway, a forum that is really far away from any notion of free speech.

Relative to other large social media sites (reddit, Tumblr, Twitter pre-Elon, etc.) HN is a bastion of free speech. Reddit being possibly the least free of them all.

Reddit is petty free speech from the site admin perspective. The vast majority of moderation on Reddit is done by the community (i.e. subreddit mods), no one is stopping you from creating your own free speech absolutists subs.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by umvi »

> “Right, boss, apparently because you keep talking about freedom, a large group of people are taking it to mean they have ‘freedom’ to harass people with slurs and all sorts of abuse. People are leaving the site because of it, and advertisers are pulling ads.”

> That seems bad. Quick, have someone write up some rules against hate speech.

> Level Four: “We’re the free speech platform without CSAM, infringement or hate speech!”

This is where you have to draw the line and say: "Nope, hate speech is too subjective. I disagree with what they are saying, but unless it's against the law I will defend their right to say it"

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by robofanatic »

woah wrote: post #125

One big online platform that has totally skimped on reasonable moderation is the charmingly named "E-Mail". Child porn, copyright infringement, harassment, hate speech, spam, you name it. Anything goes. It's a complete free-for-all. Giant internet companies like Google and Microsoft make billions of dollars a year through their partnerships with the E-Mail platform. These big companies do make a token effort to remov…

I can't see your email and you can't see mine, but I may see your tweets even though I don't know who you are.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by jakelazaroff »

anon291 wrote: post #134
jakelazaroff wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why did you feel the need to misrepresent what actually happened, then? The word "trans" is conspicuously absent from your original comment; you described it as "a satire article naming a national bureaucrat as man of the year".

Because it's not particularly relevant. Satire articles make jokes about all kinds of people. For example, SNL regularly has females portray cis males and males portray cis females. Politicians regularly (rightly or wrongly) attack their opponents as not living up to whatever gender ideals exist. As an example, SNL had a lady play Rudy Giuliani to make fun of him: https://popculture.com/tv-shows/news/snl-cecily-stron…

It's "not particularly relevant" except for the part where it was the reason they were banned.

Deliberately misgendering someone is not the same as making fun of them. The Babylon Bee's entire punchline is just that they're using a hateful slur.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by someNameIG »

mvnuweucxqokii wrote: post #158
someNameIG wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh no, you got banned from those places for wearing a nazi armband, but there's multiple other roads, parks, and sidewalks, that allow that (e.g. 4chan), just as easily accessible.

Alternatively, oh no you got banned for spreading factual information like there is insufficient evidence to rule out the possibility of a lab leak, so now you'll be relegated to places where you can have no impact on the public discourse.

4chan is also available for that

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by kbelder »

musk_micropenis wrote: post #78
throwawayacc4 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Relative to other large social media sites (reddit, Tumblr, Twitter pre-Elon, etc.) HN is a bastion of free speech. Reddit being possibly the least free of them all.

HN is much more heavily moderated than those websites. Which is a good thing, it's why conversations here tend to be of a higher quality. I don't think the HN style of moderation would scale to places like Reddit even if they wanted it.

HN is moderated more in terms of tone, much less in terms of ideology.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by onetimeusename »

mmastrac wrote: post #6

Doesn't banning Kanye West from the platform go against his whole "free speech" thing? The absolutists say that there should just be more free speech to drown out the hateful speech. Why isn't he just encouraging people to drown it out instead? I find the unlimited free speech arguments to be disingenuous and lazy most of the time. There's always a limit to speech, and it's not easy to find. That doesn't mean we shou…

yes, it goes against. I think there are vanishingly few actual free speech absolutists, maybe none, and most who say they are actually draw the line somewhere around online harassment, hate speech, copyright, "when an angry mob pressures you", and "when you have no money because no one will advertise with you".

Free speech absolutism is illegal. There are laws you must follow or the FBI will come knocking on your door.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by stcroixx »

mmastrac wrote: post #6

Doesn't banning Kanye West from the platform go against his whole "free speech" thing? The absolutists say that there should just be more free speech to drown out the hateful speech. Why isn't he just encouraging people to drown it out instead? I find the unlimited free speech arguments to be disingenuous and lazy most of the time. There's always a limit to speech, and it's not easy to find. That doesn't mean we shou…

Agree this goes against free speech. Very disappointing he didn't do as he said and let the law and courts handle this question.

Whether free speech is appropriate on a platform like Twitter I don't know or care really. But surely Twitter can't promote itself as a free speech platform while banning Kanye for legal speech.

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by rsynnott »

AftHurrahWinch wrote: post #9

Is this the 12th time this article has been posted? @dang is there any chance HN will resume de-duplicating submissions in the future? Do you need a hand with anything? Don't tell my boss but I've got a few spare cycles this sprint. ;) [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33448038 [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33442277 [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33749415 [3]: https://news.ycombinator.c…

I mean, I think it does have new relevance now, in that one of the stages has just symbolically been crossed (of course, there’ve already been lots of arbitrary bans apparently for making fun of Elon, so realistically twitter is not following the ordained path)

Re: Elon: Let Me Help You Speed Run the Content Moderation Learning Curve

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Post by Etheryte »

umvi wrote: post #162

> “Right, boss, apparently because you keep talking about freedom, a large group of people are taking it to mean they have ‘freedom’ to harass people with slurs and all sorts of abuse. People are leaving the site because of it, and advertisers are pulling ads.” > That seems bad. Quick, have someone write up some rules against hate speech. > Level Four: “We’re the free speech platform without CSAM, infringement or hat…

Hate speech is illegal in numerous countries, Germany being the most prominent example. That specific case is covered in the article, too.
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