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Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by Obscurity4340 »

runnerup wrote: post #235
germinalphrase wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you use the carbon scrubbers in-line with your HVAC or did you rig of some kind of stand alone system?

Stand-alone. I got two cylindrical carbon filters and one fan. I slide the three components together and then stand them up vertically like a floor standing speaker. Currently living in an apartment. It scrubs the air really quite fast. Helps a lot with kitchen smoke, pet smells, cleaning chemical vapors, and new furniture/plastic VOCs. I also live in the middle of a bunch of chemical plants so it’s invaluable for th…

That is the damndest thing

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by hammock »

kragen wrote: post #209
hammock wrote: post #52

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Rinse aid and detergent both have the same active, harmful ingredient: sulfates aka AES aka surfactants. The difference is that detergent gets rinsed off, while rinse aid IS the rinse (vs plain non-aided water).

many surfactants are not sulfates many sulfates are not surfactants none of the numerous meanings in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AES are in any way related to surfactants or sulfates many sulfates and surfactants are not 'harmful' as generally understood (though there's probably a lethal dose of any of them) why are you posting this misinformation here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethoxylation#Alcohol_ethoxysul...

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by bharrisonit »

runnerup wrote: post #235
germinalphrase wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you use the carbon scrubbers in-line with your HVAC or did you rig of some kind of stand alone system?

Stand-alone. I got two cylindrical carbon filters and one fan. I slide the three components together and then stand them up vertically like a floor standing speaker. Currently living in an apartment. It scrubs the air really quite fast. Helps a lot with kitchen smoke, pet smells, cleaning chemical vapors, and new furniture/plastic VOCs. I also live in the middle of a bunch of chemical plants so it’s invaluable for th…

Please indicate the correct kind of cat to complete the BOM for this system.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by hammock »

runnerup wrote: post #235
germinalphrase wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you use the carbon scrubbers in-line with your HVAC or did you rig of some kind of stand alone system?

Stand-alone. I got two cylindrical carbon filters and one fan. I slide the three components together and then stand them up vertically like a floor standing speaker. Currently living in an apartment. It scrubs the air really quite fast. Helps a lot with kitchen smoke, pet smells, cleaning chemical vapors, and new furniture/plastic VOCs. I also live in the middle of a bunch of chemical plants so it’s invaluable for th…

What size did you get and what size is your apartment? Just looked up Terrabloom and I want these yesterday.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by Schroedingersat »

magila wrote: post #78

I suffered from chronic diarrhea for years which I attributed to Crohn's disease. This seemed obvious since diarrhea is a very common symptom of Crohn's, but its onset had been several years after I was diagnosed and prior to that I had tended more towards the opposite problem (constipation). I was thus always suspicious that the root cause lay elsewhere. After much experimenting I found that if I ran my dishwasher t…

You can put stronger/commercial detergent in the pre-wash dispenser (or just dump it wherever before running) and then a small amount of castile soap + citric acid (or just citric acid) in the main dispenser.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by Schroedingersat »

michael1999 wrote: post #197
nerdponx wrote: post #175

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> Market has spoken right or wrong. I call BS on this. The non-pouch detergents disappeared, that much I know. I strongly doubt people had stopped buying gel and powder. I suspect that some bright bulb at Johnson & Johnson or wherever did the math and realized that pouch margins were higher than gel and powder margins.

The marketing side of the market has spoken. Fixed serving sizes force over-use. Lots of included water means extra volume and weight (perceived value) on the shelf. While powders allow measured use, and reduce turnover. I buy 20lb boxes of cheap powder and they last for months. Hot water just doesn’t need that much help if you put some in the pre-wash too.

> I buy 20lb boxes of cheap powder and they last for months.

...is this a commercial kitchen? 20lb is like two loads a day for a year.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by runnerup »

hammock wrote: post #244
runnerup wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stand-alone. I got two cylindrical carbon filters and one fan. I slide the three components together and then stand them up vertically like a floor standing speaker. Currently living in an apartment. It scrubs the air really quite fast. Helps a lot with kitchen smoke, pet smells, cleaning chemical vapors, and new furniture/plastic VOCs. I also live in the middle of a bunch of chemical plants so it’s invaluable for th…

What size did you get and what size is your apartment? Just looked up Terrabloom and I want these yesterday.

I would personally get the silenced fans in the largest diameter you can afford / fits in your desired space because it will move larger amounts of air more quietly. The apartment was 700 sq. ft. I got the silenced 6" and it's reasonably quiet at most speeds, and not that loud at the highest speed -- putting filters at both intake and outlet greatly reduced the noise vs. just one side.

If you get the filters and fans in the same diameter they will just slip together without any additional hardware. But it will be quite wobbly. I used velcro (monoprice, laying around for wire-taming) to secure it to a vertical bookshelf.

My BOM: - $199: TerraBloom 6" Silenced EC Inline Duct Fan, ECMF-150-S, 288 CFM, 36W

- $114: TERRABLOOM 6" AIR FILTER 24" LONG, 1.8" (46MM) THICK,

- $80: TERRABLOOM 6" AIR FILTER 16" LONG, 1.8" (46MM) THICK

I'd probably go 8" if I was buying today, I hedged a bit cheaper because I wasn't sure if the quality/performance would be what I needed. This has been running for 9 months now with almost no noticeable degradation in performance, although I'm not currently quantifying it. Eventually I intend to install 3 VOC sensors, one outside the unit near the intake, one inside the unit, and one outside the unit at the outlet....to measure the VOC scrubbing efficiency curve over time and assist in deciding when to replace the carbon.

We've been running it 24 hours per day, usually about 40% but sometimes at the lowest setting (maybe 25%) and sometimes at the highest 100% setting.

After 9 months, it can still use it for point sources of concentrated smells like soldering and it captures 100% of the odors. And this is operating in a high-VOC environment near a lot (dozens) of chemical plants on our side of the city.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by runnerup »

bharrisonit wrote: post #243
runnerup wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stand-alone. I got two cylindrical carbon filters and one fan. I slide the three components together and then stand them up vertically like a floor standing speaker. Currently living in an apartment. It scrubs the air really quite fast. Helps a lot with kitchen smoke, pet smells, cleaning chemical vapors, and new furniture/plastic VOCs. I also live in the middle of a bunch of chemical plants so it’s invaluable for th…

Please indicate the correct kind of cat to complete the BOM for this system.

My BOM:

- $199: TerraBloom 6" Silenced EC Inline Duct Fan, ECMF-150-S, 288 CFM, 36W

- $114: TERRABLOOM 6" AIR FILTER 24" LONG, 1.8" (46MM) THICK,

- $80: TERRABLOOM 6" AIR FILTER 16" LONG, 1.8" (46MM) THICK

- $3,000 (2022 prices): Siberian cat. Bought before recent price rises where the prices have apparently more than doubled, somewhat killing my dream of getting another Siberian kitten. Closely related to Maine Coon and Norwegian Forest Cat. Very very very playful and social. Enjoys playing friendly games of tackle with my Texas Heeler dog (50% Australian Cattle Dog, 50% Australian Shepherd), and often can be found entertaining itself throughout the day by training my dog. Naturally played fetch with plastic water bottle caps from a young age. Wants lots, and lots, and lots, of cuddles and play time. Our other Siberian, which was imported from Russia by American breeders, has had a very rough life and joined us late in her life. She has a very similar natural temperament. All three shed a truly totally insane amount of fur -- recommend Miele vacuums which are fully sealed with proper gaskets for maximum suction and minimum allergen leaking/spreading...Dyson strongly not recommended. He has had a lifelong fascination with dissecting electromechanical objects, especially air filters, and insists to supervise/assist with all maintenance work going on in the home. He learned that biting apple cables causes humans to stop using the laptop and destroyed $1,000 of laptop chargers when first generation MagSafe charges had non-detachable cables. Unlike his older sister, he has never had interest in killing/murdering animals, but enjoys removing all the legs from cockroaches and then playing fetch with himself by throwing the body around. Announces most of his poops with a loud meow and insists that the litter box be maintained daily. Enjoys training the humans, especially enjoys training the dog to get the humans to perform desired behaviors on his behalf. Contrary to marketing materials, neither Siberian is actually "hypoallergenic" in any sense of the word...maybe they're "less" allergenic but they still cause a lot of allergies and sheets/pillowcases need to be changed often.

I'd probably go 8" if I was buying today, I hedged a bit cheaper because I wasn't sure if the quality/performance would be what I needed.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by hammock »

moloch-hai wrote: post #187
robmsmt wrote: post #148

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can you explain more on the gas stoves and oven part?

Gas stoves exhaust right into the house. Besides raising the CO2 level, they produce CO, carbon monoxide, and smoke from whatever impurities come with the gas, that vary according to where it comes from. I doubt anybody bothers to get the radon out. That would cost money. Propane is probably purer than straight-up NG, but it's exhaust is still exhaust.

>Gas stoves exhaust right into the house

Best case you have a hood that vents to the outside. Hoods really work

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by rubicon33 »

m463 wrote: post #116
magila wrote: post #78

I suffered from chronic diarrhea for years which I attributed to Crohn's disease. This seemed obvious since diarrhea is a very common symptom of Crohn's, but its onset had been several years after I was diagnosed and prior to that I had tended more towards the opposite problem (constipation). I was thus always suspicious that the root cause lay elsewhere. After much experimenting I found that if I ran my dishwasher t…

I wonder about sulfates, specifically SLS (sodium lauryl sulfate - which has many whack-a-mole names). SLS is a surficant, and although not named in this study, it has been shown in other studies to interfere with mucous membranes (canker sores, etc) I would wonder if that happens in the gut too. It is in many things. toothpaste, shampoo, dishwasher and laundry detergents, and lots more Since people are trying to avo…

I used to get canker sores every once in a while.

I cut out SLS by purchasing Toms toothpaste, and that helped a lot.

I would still get them though, maybe twice a year.

The thing that finally fixed it was almonds. I stopped eating almonds and I’ve never had a canker sore since.

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