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Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by starfallg »

magila wrote: post #78

I suffered from chronic diarrhea for years which I attributed to Crohn's disease. This seemed obvious since diarrhea is a very common symptom of Crohn's, but its onset had been several years after I was diagnosed and prior to that I had tended more towards the opposite problem (constipation). I was thus always suspicious that the root cause lay elsewhere. After much experimenting I found that if I ran my dishwasher t…

We stopped using any toothpaste with Sodium Laureth Sulfate in it and our whole family stopped suffering from mouth ulcers.

There's a lot of commonly used chemicals that are irritants and disrupt how the body works, but are underneath the threshold of toxicity.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by phil-martin »

runnerup wrote: post #190
magila wrote: post #78

I suffered from chronic diarrhea for years which I attributed to Crohn's disease. This seemed obvious since diarrhea is a very common symptom of Crohn's, but its onset had been several years after I was diagnosed and prior to that I had tended more towards the opposite problem (constipation). I was thus always suspicious that the root cause lay elsewhere. After much experimenting I found that if I ran my dishwasher t…

There are so, so many cases like this with modern chemicals. Air fresheners in office bathrooms being another major “ghost” aggravation is another one. In general I low-key proselytize the practice of removing excess stuff from air using HEPA and carbon filters to make a space smell better, rather than adding even more shit to the air (candles, scented sprays, etc). Also the benefits of using “free and clear” product…

This really interests me, and I want to set up a similar system.

Can you describe the massive difference it’s made for family?

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

kube-system wrote: post #221
nerdponx wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Market has spoken right or wrong. I call BS on this. The non-pouch detergents disappeared, that much I know. I strongly doubt people had stopped buying gel and powder. I suspect that some bright bulb at Johnson & Johnson or wherever did the math and realized that pouch margins were higher than gel and powder margins.

> The non-pouch detergents disappeared ? I still see them everywhere. And a quick Amazon search for “cascade complete” lists gel as the first result and powder as the third.

Yea, I didn’t list Amazon. I said in the stores near me. Last I checked, Amazon’s thing was to have everything.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by htoiwuerweoir23 »

Why is anyone surprised by any of this ?

I don't mean to sound like a pleb, but the biggest lesson of the past two centuries is how much people bluff, use the name of 'science, progress, blah blah' to push for their own profits, regardless of actual consequences (bodily or environmentally or ecologically).

I generally stick to old-school goods that are totally natural, cheap and are still massively produced in India. With the 'generic' stuff, half the shit is made from tortured-killed cows (urgh vomits) (admittedly, this is mostly outside India), and all of them are filled with god knows what, and made from god knows what.

If you're India, check out Patanjali's ash and lime dishwasher soap that cost like Rs. 20 per bar. Shout out to FitTuber on Youtube who reviews a lot organic products from India.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by runnerup »

germinalphrase wrote: post #214
runnerup wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are so, so many cases like this with modern chemicals. Air fresheners in office bathrooms being another major “ghost” aggravation is another one. In general I low-key proselytize the practice of removing excess stuff from air using HEPA and carbon filters to make a space smell better, rather than adding even more shit to the air (candles, scented sprays, etc). Also the benefits of using “free and clear” product…

Do you use the carbon scrubbers in-line with your HVAC or did you rig of some kind of stand alone system?

Stand-alone. I got two cylindrical carbon filters and one fan. I slide the three components together and then stand them up vertically like a floor standing speaker.

Currently living in an apartment. It scrubs the air really quite fast. Helps a lot with kitchen smoke, pet smells, cleaning chemical vapors, and new furniture/plastic VOCs.

I also live in the middle of a bunch of chemical plants so it’s invaluable for the 3-5 leak events we experience every week.

One of our cats has learned how to turn our HPA300 fan to “turbo mode” by bopping the correct button with his paw. This year he’s been an excellent early warning system for nearby chemical plant leaks and I’ve learned to blindly trust his judgment so I just turn the scrubber fan to 100% whenever the cat turns up our largest HEPA air filter.

I recognize this sounds insane.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by runnerup »

phil-martin wrote: post #232
runnerup wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are so, so many cases like this with modern chemicals. Air fresheners in office bathrooms being another major “ghost” aggravation is another one. In general I low-key proselytize the practice of removing excess stuff from air using HEPA and carbon filters to make a space smell better, rather than adding even more shit to the air (candles, scented sprays, etc). Also the benefits of using “free and clear” product…

This really interests me, and I want to set up a similar system. Can you describe the massive difference it’s made for family?

I live in the middle of a lot of chemical plants. They have leaks constantly, like 3-5 moderate events per week.

Different chemicals cause disparate effects on my wife and I, but often manifests as anxiety, asthma, lethargy, general sense of being very uncomfortable.

Additionally we have two cats and a dog in a small apartment and sometimes they pee on the carpet/etc.

The carbon scrubber reduces the noticeable chemical plant effects down to just once a week, and greatly minimize that as well. Has completely eliminated stress caused by residual pet pee vapors.

We do have a bissell big green machine that we use regularly to clean the carpets and lots of HEPA air filters for dander, pollen, and other particulates.

But knocking out VOCs using a carbon scrubber has truly been wonderful. Works very very well whenever we get new furniture etc that offgasses for a week or so.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by causi »

We sought to investigate the effects of professional and household dishwashers

Interestingly, detergent residue from professional dishwashers demonstrated the remnant of a significant amount of cytotoxic and epithelial barrier–damaging rinse aid remaining on washed and ready-to-use dishware.

Is the reader to draw the conclusion that significant levels of rinse-aid are not found in dishes cleaned by home dishwashers?

A professional dishwasher completes 1 or 2 wash and rinse cycles using 3.5 L of water per cycle.

That's about 1/4 the water usage of a home dishwasher. Does an increased amount of water in home dishwashers result in negligible levels of rinse-aid?

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by balls187 »

sgerenser wrote: post #228
hedora wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is the #1 cause of death in the US for ages 1-4, and #2 from 5-14. Also, if you drink it, you will certainly die. https://www.cdc.gov/drowning/facts/index.html

Surely you mean if you inhale it?

If you inhale yes, but drinking it can also lead to certain death.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by SoftTalker »

hedora wrote: post #202
SoftTalker wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. If the water is hot enough you don't need chemical detergent or sanitizer. But we're talking about water that is almost boiling -- you'd only find dishwashers that hot in a commercial kitchen.

I wonder if the sanitize button on a residential unit is good enough. (The machines in the article are pressurized, but that is a new technology. The GP post’s machines were probably older.)

I think that is for the final rinse. It's probably hot enough to sanitize but doubt that the dishes would be really clean without using detergent.
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