Vinegar is a perfectly satisfactory rinse aid. The only downside it costs less, and the steam will smell funny if you open the door too soon.
Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids
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#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
Many years ago I worked as a skivvy in a hotel kitchen. We never used any detergent for the crockery, it just used extremely hot water. The dishes seemed very clean and they dried very rapidly.
Yep. If the water is hot enough you don't need chemical detergent or sanitizer. But we're talking about water that is almost boiling -- you'd only find dishwashers that hot in a commercial kitchen.
I wonder if the sanitize button on a residential unit is good enough. (The machines in the article are pressurized, but that is a new technology. The GP post’s machines were probably older.)
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#203Ok, so what do I use as a rinse aid then? I just dug all over amazon and pretty much everything has akoxylated alcohol or some form of polyoxypropylene laureth. And yes, I've purposely let the rinse aid run out just to see what happens. It wasn't pretty... Anyway to make something more "natural"? Some other ingredients I've seen include citric acid, urea, trisodium phosphate. But not sure if just mixing those togethe…
Plain 5% vinegar will be fine. It will smell funny if you open the door during the dry cycle. But it is safe, non-toxic, and will prevent mineral spots, and help rinse starch.
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#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Since people are trying to avoid SLS, MANY tricky marketing synonyms have appeared to obfuscate ingredient lists: this seems to be almost the definition of evil people are trying to avoid something specific that makes them ill, so they try to hide it from them instead? scum
The best part is all SLS does is contribute to the foaming of the toothpaste, that's literally all it does (Same thing in soap). It's just to give some psychological idea that foamy toothpaste cleans better. Something like a focus group in the 1950s came up with this ingredient.
no
it's a surfactant
surfactants emulsify lipids in polar liquids like water
such emulsification is crucial to many kinds of cleaning
because cell membranes are lipid bilayers surfactants also can cause cytolysis, maybe relevant if you're trying to get bacterial films off your teeth, and sds is commonly used for this in bio labs
surfactants also often foam but this is irrelevant
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#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m curious, did you ever try using less detergent? Like cutting one of those pouches in half? It’d be messy but maybe it’d work.
Or run half in the pre-wash cycle and the other in regular cycle. Can also help to run/prime your hot water tap before starting cycle to start off with hot water (in places where it’s hooked up to hot).
I also learned this hot water trick.
Apparently, energy efficient dishwashers have an energy budget per cycle and will only put a fixed amount into heating water, so getting hotter water into the dishwasher makes a huge difference in performance.
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#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
They put a really high amount of particulates in the air, drastically reducing air quality.
The particulate result is dubious from what I've seen Most people keyed into this from the Vox article: https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2020/5/7/21247602... Which links to: https://www.osti.gov/biblio/1172959 As evidence for the claim that Gas range put out more PM2.5 But if you consult table 3 of that article you will see it doesn't show that at all. The food (especially frying) swamps differences between…
When we lived in houses with gas, some difficult to remove yellow residue formed on the outsides of all our stainless steel. We assumed it was cooking oil, but apparently, it was not. Our induction range completely eliminated that problem.
I wonder how much of the gunk is still in my lungs.
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#207I suffered from chronic diarrhea for years which I attributed to Crohn's disease. This seemed obvious since diarrhea is a very common symptom of Crohn's, but its onset had been several years after I was diagnosed and prior to that I had tended more towards the opposite problem (constipation). I was thus always suspicious that the root cause lay elsewhere. After much experimenting I found that if I ran my dishwasher t…
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#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't mean to be trite, but that won't work since everything is chemicals.
Good old di-hydrogen monoxide. A horribly toxic chemical.
It is the #1 cause of death in the US for ages 1-4, and #2 from 5-14.
Also, if you drink it, you will certainly die.
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#209Is my reading of the summary correct that it is only (or mainly?) talking about rinse aid and not about the detergent?
Rinse aid and detergent both have the same active, harmful ingredient: sulfates aka AES aka surfactants. The difference is that detergent gets rinsed off, while rinse aid IS the rinse (vs plain non-aided water).
many surfactants are not sulfates
many sulfates are not surfactants
none of the numerous meanings in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AES are in any way related to surfactants or sulfates
many sulfates and surfactants are not 'harmful' as generally understood (though there's probably a lethal dose of any of them)
why are you posting this misinformation here
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#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
can you explain more on the gas stoves and oven part?
Gas stoves exhaust right into the house. Besides raising the CO2 level, they produce CO, carbon monoxide, and smoke from whatever impurities come with the gas, that vary according to where it comes from. I doubt anybody bothers to get the radon out. That would cost money. Propane is probably purer than straight-up NG, but it's exhaust is still exhaust.
radon decays into dust in a couple of days, but natural gas deposits are tens of millions of years old and have been out of touch with potential radon-generating rocks for weeks or months by the time they reach your stove burner
getting radon out does not cost money