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Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by tremon »

moonchrome wrote: post #556
hparadiz wrote: post #401

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Signing images and requiring that the bootloader can't flash anything else is just vendor lock in / ceding your power as an end user. It doesn't make you more secure in any way since a bad actor will figure out a way to bypass making writes to the system partition.

Umm I remember ordering Chinese phones way back when (think android 4) with unlocked boot loaders - both had some random junk installed via custom ROM and you couldn't uninstall it.

It's a good thing they had unlocked boot loaders then, or you would not have had any option to remove the malware.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by robbie-c »

vineyardmike wrote: post #480
rtpg wrote: post #461

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But like... none of that is related to the App Store lock in! It's also not related to the 30% cut. Apple's OS and the API it provides for developing apps is what gets us here. Lord knows there are some real busted apps out there, but your system doesn't fall apart. Let's not even get into the fact that Apple itself was doing OS X stuff, which was able to have a high bar for software quality, and no "don't install ra…

> But like... none of that is related to the App Store lock in! It's also not related to the 30% cut. It’s related to the “one app source”. See… > no "don't install random binaries" stuff to be seen. Because it was a lot smaller target than windows in terms of uses and impact. Maybe you forget, but there was certainly crapware that would bog your system down. Meanwhile iOS is probably the single greatest target today…

I don't buy the privacy policy stuff, using the ATT prompt to access IDFA can still require user consent.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by reportgunner »

DefineOutside wrote: post #228
endisneigh wrote: post #86

Stop buying Apple if you don't like it. Seriously. At the end of the day all of these companies would do the exact same thing as Apple if they were in Apple's position. The real solution to this is improved functionality of web apps and complete migration to those, then you can be free of the duopoly. Other than using phone specific features, why can't all apps run on your desktop, laptop or elsewhere? I'll never get…

> Stop buying Apple if you don't like it. I personally don't like it and will not stop buying apple phones. The CPU's on an iPhone are far ahead of Android. I could buy either the Pixel 4 or the iPhone 11 for the same $450 price a month after launch from my carrier. single-thread geekbench: iPhone 11 (September 2019): 1311 Pixel 4 (October 2019): 662 Pixel 7 (October 2022): 1058 The geekbench for the Pixel 7 is 1051…

> I personally don't like it and will not stop buying apple phones. The CPU's on an iPhone are far ahead of Android. I could buy either the Pixel 4 or the iPhone 11 for the same $450 price a month after launch from my carrier.

Sounds like you like it to me. You are directly funding whatever you think you "don't like" Apple is doing.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by onion2k »

vineyardmike wrote: post #484
onion2k wrote: post #463

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I find the "Apple's engineers aren't capable of doing this in a safe way" argument a bit hollow, because the option basically already exists in iOS. All people want is the option to jailbreak iOS in an official way rather than some sketchy hack. As for services that 'demand' you install something, the option exists on Android and no one demands people install things on their Android devices. Why would iOS be differen…

> As for services that 'demand' you install something, the option exists on Android and no one demands people install things on their Android devices. Why would iOS be different? https://www.epicgames.com/fortnite/en-US/mobile/android 1. It is used now. 2. Google is a lot less aggressive than apple (see meta vs ATT).

Yes, Epic has an app store on Android. So does Amazon. So do a few others. If anything that just proves the point that third party app integrations can work in a mobile OS without the world ending.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by mgoetzke »

bayindirh wrote: post #427
donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

I understand where you are coming from, and support you on that. On the other hand, I'm pretty happy with the default state of an iPhone. It just manages itself, and all that hard problems (backups, updates, ease of use, experience homogenity, etc.) are solved. I manage more than enough servers at work, and I don't want to manage another server in my pocket, do nitty-gritty settings, allow selected apps background ac…

Sidenote: Backup is not solved at all.

Neither my iphone 12 Pro max nor my new one have made a successful backup yet. Tried all the things and contacted support nothing so far, but no chance. Always stuck at "Estimating .. "

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by saiya-jin »

bayindirh wrote: post #427
donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

I understand where you are coming from, and support you on that. On the other hand, I'm pretty happy with the default state of an iPhone. It just manages itself, and all that hard problems (backups, updates, ease of use, experience homogenity, etc.) are solved. I manage more than enough servers at work, and I don't want to manage another server in my pocket, do nitty-gritty settings, allow selected apps background ac…

Can't agree on this. Also on Samsung, S22 ultra, I can't be bothered with any deep app settings because why would I do that? Device runs flawlessly, doesn't bother me with anything, has great battery life (and photos).

On the other hand, my wife bought iphone 13 mini after being whole life on android and its a proper shitfest form her point of view - basic settings simply NOT possible by OS because Apple decided they know better than users what users want and users have no say in this apart form losing warranty via jailbreak, basic convenient features missing. The whole device can be summarized as 'basic for very premium price' - it looks very cheap, works cheap, not a single fancy or cool thing on it.

Was about to give a chance to Apple myself but quickly rolled back after what I've seen. Plus all the scandals that show Apple is just another amoral non-privacy corporation just like the rest of bunch, despite their hard efforts at marketing. My wife will be probably rolling back to Android soon since its pretty bad experience overall. So completely opposite experience.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by tremon »

davidlumley wrote: post #246
satvikpendem wrote: post #184

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> Your data is (mostly) safe from advertisers because that's not their business. I beg to differ. Apple is becoming an ad company despite privacy claims https://proton.me/blog/apple-ad-company https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33736259

My understanding around how this works (and I might be wrong!) is that Apple tracks a variety of usage on device and your device itself knows which ad to serve, versus say Google or Facebook collating your data on their own servers. I'd not be surprised to learn there was some level of phoning home though.

is that Apple tracks a variety of usage on device and your device itself knows which ad to serve

This is a distinction without a difference. Do you regularly share your phone with other people, to the extent that "device data" can not be correlated back to you?

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by saiya-jin »

eecc wrote: post #538
aussieshibe wrote: post #479

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Would giving people the ability to opt out of Apple's ultra-managed experience and take more control over their device harm your ability to continue to enjoy those benefits? I heard an argument like this a lot at the start of discussions about whether we should be able to choose to WFH in the longer term. "I don't want to WFH because..." Ok, sure, but nobody is trying to force you to. It might just be me, and I'll de…

> Would giving people the ability to opt out of Apple's ultra-managed experience and take more control over their device harm your ability to continue to enjoy those benefits? Next thing that would happen is that every major "can't miss out" app will walk its users through the process to disable safe management features, all to fulfill the promise of showing cute cat gifs. You know that's how it is.

Why is here consistently in any Apple discussion exactly this reaction? Locked down is good for you, you don't want freedom, we know better. On hacker forum.

Seriously, basically any other topic we can discuss like adults here but when it comes to Apple and their restrictions/bad behavior it feels like the most upvoted posts are paid ones (not stating they are, but it certainly would look like that on more generic forums)

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by philliphaydon »

zarzavat wrote: post #481
philliphaydon wrote: post #467

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If developers made sure their sites worked in Safari we wouldn't have submissions to HN for sites that only work in Chrome with "oh yeah it doesn't work in Firefox or Safari because I didn't test it". The number of developers who do their work on Chrome and call it a job done and never test in another browser, far outweight the number of developers who do test cross-browser. The reason people tested in IE11 and less…

Apple actively cripples Safari so that developers are forced to make apps for the App Store and give them a cut of all revenues. Safari is an extremely cynical product, much more than Chrome. Developers should not support Safari. Let the sites break.

What does Twitter do that requires an app that doesn’t work on safari? What did Reddit do that requires an app that safari can’t do? LinkedIn? Steam? EBay. Amazon. Google maps. Discord. Slack. What do these do that can’t be done on safari on iOS?

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

zaroth wrote: post #191
smoldesu wrote: post #180

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News, Stocks, Apple Music are all big sources of ad junk. That's without mentioning all of the iCloud/service nags like AppleTV.

So just long tap and uninstall them? It’s not analogous to the Windows Start Menu showing ads you can’t turn off. What are the nags? I also don’t use Apple TV and don’t recall being nagged to use it. The only thing that annoys me is the prompt to “finish setting up” my phone when I don’t want to turn on Siri. I get the prompt a few times and then it gives up trying to get me to turn on Siri and stays happily disabled…

>So just long tap and uninstall them? It’s not analogous to the Windows Start Menu showing ads you can’t turn off.

On the contrary, it's exactly analogous to Windows start menu ads as they are just icons that you can tap/right-click and uninstall, exactly like on Apple.

But I do love the HN double standards here:

Apple ads: "Pfff, just tap and uninstall, nothing newsworthy here."

Windows ads that you can also right-click and uninstall: "OMG, the audacity from Microsoft, let's up-vote every single FUD blog post about this while frothing at the mouth."

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