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Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by zaroth »

smoldesu wrote: post #180
woodruffw wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apart from App Store recommendations, where are you seeing Apple-originated ads on an iPhone?

News, Stocks, Apple Music are all big sources of ad junk. That's without mentioning all of the iCloud/service nags like AppleTV.

So just long tap and uninstall them? It’s not analogous to the Windows Start Menu showing ads you can’t turn off.

What are the nags? I also don’t use Apple TV and don’t recall being nagged to use it.

The only thing that annoys me is the prompt to “finish setting up” my phone when I don’t want to turn on Siri. I get the prompt a few times and then it gives up trying to get me to turn on Siri and stays happily disabled.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by tshaddox »

cafed00d wrote: post #182
donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

> I want the option to control my devices. Why is that you'd demand this of _Apple_? Doesn't Linux and the plethora of devices it supports give you this already? I ask as a willful customer who prefers the complete control Apple provides. I never have to think about "porn" or "bitcoin scam" or "upsells from parent's bank" or any other crap from being easily accessible on my kids' or elderly parent's devices. Even Ste…

> Now, I admit, this means I'm under the mercy of what _Apple_ thinks is "right" or "wrong".

Only to the extent that you're "locked in" to the Apple ecosystem. I'm entirely in the Apple ecosystem as well (at least for smartphone/tablet/PC hardware, and lesser so for online services) but it wouldn't be a threat to my identity to switch if I was sufficiently upset of Apple's choices (and there were viable alternatives). Personally I don't feel like there's much lock in. It would be a bit of a hassle to move some things over, sure, and a bit of a learning curve, but I really don't think it would be a big deal.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by smoldesu »

cafed00d wrote: post #182
donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

> I want the option to control my devices. Why is that you'd demand this of _Apple_? Doesn't Linux and the plethora of devices it supports give you this already? I ask as a willful customer who prefers the complete control Apple provides. I never have to think about "porn" or "bitcoin scam" or "upsells from parent's bank" or any other crap from being easily accessible on my kids' or elderly parent's devices. Even Ste…

Here's a quick breakdown: Linux is not an iPhone. One is hardware, and another is software.

Apple has every right to build a hardware product with a software platform, but controlling the distribution of software is an immediate red flag. Conflating security and limitation is meaningless since iOS already has the means to isolate software a-la MacOS. Worst-case scenario, Apple can add a "Christian helicopter parent" toggle for you in the Settings app and let you opt-in to whatever you're enjoying now.

> Even Steam has some arcane filters that eventually allow porn content to be visible in the store.

Porn doesn't violate Steam's TOS. As long as your account is registered as under-18, it won't even be possible to see it.

> But despite all that, why can't Linux devices serve the "control my devices" need.

It can. On the newest Apple Silicon machines, I even hear it's excellent. That being said, Apple needs to unlock the bootloader of the iPhone/iPad to give us that option, so as-is our only choice is paying them 30% every time we make a transaction. It's so nefarious that I won't let anyone say it's 'serendipitous with moderation' or whatever you're trying to argue here. It's bad-faith and disregards the reason why we're talking about locked-down platforms in the first place.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by woodruffw »

smoldesu wrote: post #180
woodruffw wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apart from App Store recommendations, where are you seeing Apple-originated ads on an iPhone?

News, Stocks, Apple Music are all big sources of ad junk. That's without mentioning all of the iCloud/service nags like AppleTV.

Oh, I don't use those things. But that's good to know.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by smoldesu »

fishcrackers wrote: post #185
sergiotapia wrote: post #163

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How does the option of openness interrupt your curated lifecycle?

for me personally I don't care about it on my phone either way, I do on my laptop/desktop

If you have no personal objection to Apple making their products more open, why defend their 'privacy' facade? Have you missed the last major iPhone exploits?

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by wvenable »

542458 wrote: post #176
wvenable wrote: post #145

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> They make the OS, the libraries, the APIs, the development tools… Why should third parties get to free ride on that? I hear this argument all the time. But what do you think was done before iOS? When will they have finally gotten paid for all that and don't need to take any more money from you?

Before iOS (and for the early years of iOS) people paid out of pocket for software updates. Now it’s an ongoing cost instead, imposed as a tax on software transactions. This is not an unusual arrangement - people rent things in perpetuity all the time, like EC2 instances and water heaters.

The fact that it's a tax on software transactions and not simply something rented/charged monthly is kind of the point.

And, no, not all software updates were uncommon or charged for before iOS. Windows Update predates iOS by many years. People did pay for development tools but then so do iOS developers for $100 a year. I've personally only paid for dev tools a few times in my life. Developers add value to an ecosystem.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by smoldesu »

woodruffw wrote: post #195
smoldesu wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

News, Stocks, Apple Music are all big sources of ad junk. That's without mentioning all of the iCloud/service nags like AppleTV.

Oh, I don't use those things. But that's good to know.

Me neither, but every time I put on my Sony XM4s Apple Music gives me a nice modal asking me to pay for their service. It's really lovely UX.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by Nullabillity »

fishcrackers wrote: post #159
donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

I like being able to trust my device and my kids device, if you wan't something to hack on get a pinephone or something the reality is that billions of people need to trust their phones with their most personal information, fininaces and lives and apple's policies while sometimes annoying do a lot to build that trust they aren't a big secret and if you don't like it you're free to not buy their products

Did your kids also have a free choice to get another device instead?

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by satvikpendem »

endisneigh wrote: post #100
Gigachad wrote: post #66

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100 copies of the same two choices is not competition.

So since all computers are Unix* or Windows, there's no competition? Ridiculous.

Imagine all Windows computers required you to use the Microsoft Store to download any piece of software, and you had to pay 30% for that privilege. Oh, and if every browser on the store was just another version of Internet Explorer (which Microsoft already got in trouble for around 20 years ago for just this one issue, much less all the others).

And on the Unix side it's slightly better where you can download apps outside of the Unix Store but they don't autoupdate while easily having the ability to, and that any OEM that doesn't install Unix Store Services gets their Android license removed or severely limited.

That's basically how it's like.

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