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U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by trasz2 »

toss1 wrote: post #200
factsarelolz wrote: post #163

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> The main effect is that we should not buy key communication equipment from a country we cannot trust. We should not buy anything that is internet connected from a country we cannot trust.

>We should not buy anything that is internet connected from a country we cannot trust. We should not buy anything that has non-dumb components from a country we cannot trust. We should not buy anything that is has high-performance materials that cannot be non-destructively tested from a country we cannot trust. Overall, we should not be buying ANYTHING AT ALL from a country we cannot trust, as literally any trade mer…

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Post by MichaelZuo »

dilyevsky wrote: post #244
MichaelZuo wrote: post #243

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I still don't see a logical relation with my previous comment: "I don't see what they could possibly gain, all it would take is for one genuine case of a backdoor to be confirmed and then all that investment would be nearly worthless." And your previous comment: "People used to say same exact thing about russian gas" I'm struggling to find any analogous situation to a single verified breech of trust destroying billio…

> I'm struggling to find any analogous situation to a single verified breech of trust destroying billions of investments in the gas sector of Russia. Struggle no longer - https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/kremlin-says-gazprom...

This did not affect the total amount of gas purchased from Russia. Even looking at just EU-Russia trade volumes, there wasn't a huge drop right after this happened.

A commodity business with high transportation costs has different dynamics then from the electronics industry.

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Post by somenameforme »

bnjms wrote: post #185
somenameforme wrote: post #98

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The way you're framing makes it sound unique to China. PRISM [1] hasn't gone anywhere and has certainly only expanded since the leaks. Google, Apple, Microsoft, and many others were all participating companies. If China starts stooping to the same level here they would be obligated to ban products from these companies and more. If they want to make a spectacle of it, they could even have a kangaroo court committee he…

Doesn’t PRISM work by splitting fiber for “monitoring”? …Somehow that makes me feel better.

Nope, that's from yet a different set of spying programs - MUSCULAR, INCENSER, TURMOIL, and others [1]. PRISM does it in coordination with companies. One of my favorite leaks was this [2] which is a support manual for NSA agents engaging in real-time Skype spying.

It even includes a technical FAQ with all sorts of troubleshooting issues, like agents wondering why messages they're intercepting might end up getting repeated. The reason there is that when a secondary device (e.g. going from your phone to a computer) syncs, everything is resent to the user, which is in turn also gets sent right on over to the NSA. There were also promises to help agents upset that on occasion the audio and video of whoever they're spying on (again in real time mind you) would get out of sync. It's a tough life being a 21st century spy.

[1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUSCULAR

[2] - https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/field_document/Guid...

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Post by kadoban »

Kukumber wrote: post #197
kadoban wrote: post #22

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> Have you been sleeping for the past 20 years? Only about a third of them. > https://www.euractiv.com/section/economy-jobs/news/the-impac... Sorry, I'm not following how that relates to really anything in the current conversation.

the US promotes liberalism for others, but internally they promote their very own interests double face after blocking you from doing commerce with their enemies through multitudes of sanctions and lobbies, they'll start to punish you if you try to protect your interests To quote the article: "Washington announced on Wednesday (2 October) that it would hit European products with punitive tariffs worth $7.5 billion af…

I still don't get the specific objection here. The USA argues for its own interests, and is inconsistent, at best, on persuing principles in the rest of the world. Yes this is selfish and annoying. But what does that have to do with the decision at hand?

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Post by dang »

beebeepka wrote: post #88
skorpeon87 wrote: post #45

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> China's gov't has a hand in every company in its borders, or so it is suspected Not merely suspected, it's a matter of Chinese law that the Party is represented in any company large enough for them to take notice of.

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Would you please stop posting in the flamewar style to HN? We've already asked you this more than once.

Your comment would be fine without that swipe. Perhaps not very substantive (you could make this argument better with more information in it), but at least not a gross violation of the guidelines.

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

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Post by dang »

loeg wrote: post #73
k_paleologos wrote: post #66

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What government can do is limited by the constitution. Generally speaking, unless these companies have done something unlawful there is no ground for banning their products. Is it established that they have broken US laws?

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Posting like this will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong another account is or you feel it is.

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Post by bnjms »

somenameforme wrote: post #253
bnjms wrote: post #185

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Doesn’t PRISM work by splitting fiber for “monitoring”? …Somehow that makes me feel better.

Nope, that's from yet a different set of spying programs - MUSCULAR, INCENSER, TURMOIL, and others [1]. PRISM does it in coordination with companies. One of my favorite leaks was this [2] which is a support manual for NSA agents engaging in real-time Skype spying. It even includes a technical FAQ with all sorts of troubleshooting issues, like agents wondering why messages they're intercepting might end up getting rep…

This is much worse than I had imagined. Thank you for correcting me.
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