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U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by bnjms »

throwaway4good wrote: post #140
putlake wrote: post #127

Here's the inside story of how the ban was years in the making and all the effort it took. From someone in the government at the time the process started: https://twitter.com/JoshuaSteinman/status/159637064508835020...

This is just appalling protectionism; is it really something that we tech people should cheer on?

Is it really protectionism when just matching the requirements of China?

Of course it is but that doesn’t mean it isn’t the right call. Huawei & ZTE exist so Cisco doesn’t have to be used in China. It seems this is a blanket ban for sale in all of the US which strikes me as excessive without knowing why they’re a National security threat.

I’d like more expectations of parity. Maybe real estate.

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Post by whiw »

kube-system wrote: post #114
javajosh wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why ouch? If they are local-only the max mischief they might cause is relatively limited, right? Or do you suspect them of phoning home behind your back?

I have a handful of 'local-only' chinese import cameras (although no Dahuas). They all reach out to hard-coded IP addresses on the chinese mainland. (with no explanation why, nor a setting to turn it off) I put them on a dedicated VLAN without internet access for this reason.

google VLAN hopping

Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by bnjms »

nazgulsenpai wrote: post #164
javajosh wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why ouch? If they are local-only the max mischief they might cause is relatively limited, right? Or do you suspect them of phoning home behind your back?

I haven't seen any unusual communication from any installed, but they're all firewalled and with WAN disallowed. The ouch was because I will have to find another vendor if they are no longer allowed to be sold in the US.

Those companies are only disallowed from use in government.

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Post by medellin »

namkt wrote: post #96
medellin wrote: post #80

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Even companies as large as Uber got strong armed in china. From having traffic shut off completely inside the country without warning (no net neutrality laws) to having to setup an entirely new business in china that didn’t touch the US one. I have little sympathy and i hope that the Us continues to push restrictions on china tech.

Uber probably isn't the best example given that the company prided itself in being 'fucking illegal', but your point generally stands. https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/10/uber-investigation-...

It’s the only one i can speak directly to although i know of numerous other examples.

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Post by bnjms »

somenameforme wrote: post #98
ranger47 wrote: post #23

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ELI5: The US and China are not very good friends, but Chinese goods still get sold to US markets. China's gov't has a hand in every company in its borders, or so it is suspected, since this is routinely denied by the companies and the Chinese gov't. Some of those companies make computers that can watch and listen to us, whether we ask them to or not. The US is no longer comfortable with that arrangement. Of course, i…

The way you're framing makes it sound unique to China. PRISM [1] hasn't gone anywhere and has certainly only expanded since the leaks. Google, Apple, Microsoft, and many others were all participating companies. If China starts stooping to the same level here they would be obligated to ban products from these companies and more. If they want to make a spectacle of it, they could even have a kangaroo court committee he…

Doesn’t PRISM work by splitting fiber for “monitoring”?

…Somehow that makes me feel better.

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Post by mtrovo »

selectodude wrote: post #173
saiya-jin wrote: post #148

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One can argue that PRISM was in place long before China was doing anything real. So US and allies set the tone of this global topic decades ago. China decided they will go their own way, because they could. This is all just a theatre as mentioned, long term planned escalation with some form of conflict inevitable. Not judging, it makes sense for each side to act as they do, but these congress hearings were a farce wi…

Two decades ago, the Chinese military was actively raiding Nortel's IP directly from their servers. Regardless of when and what the US government is doing, Huawei and ZTE's tech is built off of rampant state-sponsored IP theft and shouldn't be used and can't be trusted. https://globalnews.ca/news/7275588/inside-the-chinese-milita...

Even if they stole IP 20 years ago so what? US industrial revolution was famously started by copying ideas from Europe https://www.history.com/.amp/news/industrial-revolution-spie....

There's no way to deny that Huawei was years ahead of competition with their 5G offerings, so it seems this is much more a story about telecom becoming patent trolls rather than R&D focused companies, something something creating value to shareholders.

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Post by ABeeSea »

throwaway4good wrote: post #180
ABeeSea wrote: post #172

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Why do you think the premise is incorrect?

I worked in tele for a couple of years; the reason Huawei and ZTE got ahead in 5G was that they invested heavily at time when Nokia and Ericsson were focused on cutting cost.

That was only half the premise, the other half was

> unfettered access to the teleco networks of the countries that they themselves say are their greatest enemies?

Regardless of how they got their tech, that premise is the reason for blocking them.

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Post by 2devnull »

blurbleblurble wrote: post #144

Why are the stakes so high? Well, research "integrated communications and sensing" to find out. IEEE is pushing this paradigm shift. The radio hardware isn't just being used for communications between active devices anymore. It'll be useable for passive and biometric sensing applications, including but not limited to passive localization and identification of people without phones. Next generation wireless standards…

In the future we won’t see tanks driving over dissidents. Such barbarities gone, a safer more technocratic dystopia awaits. Smart cities. Chilling.

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Post by tiahura »

skeeter2020 wrote: post #94
k_paleologos wrote: post #69

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"During the investigation, the Committee received information from industry experts and current and former Huawei employees suggesting that Huawei, in particular, may be violating United States laws. " This is a claim which can only be proven in a court of law.

There's a decided lack of understanding in this thread about the US constitution and the role of Congress, and what this story is about. US Telecoms is a federally regulated industry. Congress does have the powers to compel testimony from individuals or companies related to this situation. If they're not satisified with the responses they can prevent them from selling into the regulated market. They don't need to eng…

Ehh. Sort of.

Congress can investigate anything they want - the thinking is that this power is necessary to effectively legislate and conduct oversight.

The ban came from the executive branch. Nobody has a right to bring anything they want into the country. Wether you’re a citizen returning from vacation in Tahiti, or ZTE, you need permission. This ban is removing everyone’s permission to bring this stuff into the country.

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Post by zenapollo »

throwaway4good wrote: post #140
putlake wrote: post #127

Here's the inside story of how the ban was years in the making and all the effort it took. From someone in the government at the time the process started: https://twitter.com/JoshuaSteinman/status/159637064508835020...

This is just appalling protectionism; is it really something that we tech people should cheer on?

This is silly pearl clutching, do you have any refutation of the arguments?

I believe there is very credible reporting on ccp-sponsored hacking of industrial, military, government dbs, etc. Even if we don’t have hard evidence of this type of hardware compromise, it seems to be wise to believe there are serious risks, and to take action until such risks are investigated.

Despite all the expertise on HN, i would guess almost no one here has a clue what kinds of elite military spy tech are being tested/used.

Further, the ccp has shown the world who they are - bad faith and anti-global-cooperation. Trust should be a two way street. I think we’re foolish to do any business with them.

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