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U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by chitowneats »

galdosdi wrote: post #92
k_paleologos wrote: post #54

Is this an executive measure? Does the executive have authority to do such a thing, based on vague and nebulous claims of threat to national security? Were these companies providing sevices/supplying goods in the US market subject to necessary US regulatory approvals? On which grounds can such approvals be rescinded without evidence that will stand in courts? Moreover this is infact a restriction on US citizens/ firm…

> Does it not impinge on their rights to fair choice? What are you talking about. You just made up a legal right that has never existed. Try going and opening up a restaurant in any city in america without submitting to any health department inspection. You will get shut down. There is no such universal right under US law to "fair choice" when buying goods, whatever that might mean. There are millions of pages of law…

Don't waste too much energy on the sock puppet. This person has less understanding of the U.S. system than my 5th grader, yet is commenting very confidently all over this thread. Account is 20 days old.

Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by somenameforme »

dingi wrote: post #32

Whe you consider China's restrictions against US companies, these things are a drop in a bucket.

What would you say is the best example? I'm aware China does aggressively censor US media type products that don't toe the Chinese worldview, but I'm less familiar with absolute bans of major companies of this sort.

I may be misreading the situation here, but to me this seems like a rather extreme escalation that would be analogous to China banning e.g. Apple or Google based/created devices after questioning them over their relationship with the NSA [1] and being [predictably] dissatisfied with their responses.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM

Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by protoc »

beebeepka wrote: post #88
skorpeon87 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> China's gov't has a hand in every company in its borders, or so it is suspected Not merely suspected, it's a matter of Chinese law that the Party is represented in any company large enough for them to take notice of.

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there is no connection between rich powerful companies in the us and government /s

Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by kube-system »

javajosh wrote: post #110
nazgulsenpai wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ouch, I own a few of these cameras. I chose Amcrest because they have a local US distributer who does all of the technical/warranty support. Interesting.

Why ouch? If they are local-only the max mischief they might cause is relatively limited, right? Or do you suspect them of phoning home behind your back?

I have a handful of 'local-only' chinese import cameras (although no Dahuas). They all reach out to hard-coded IP addresses on the chinese mainland. (with no explanation why, nor a setting to turn it off) I put them on a dedicated VLAN without internet access for this reason.

Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by kadoban »

zokar wrote: post #90
iso1631 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a lot of people on HN arguing against sanctioning Russia for invading a sovereign state, they believe that the west should just turn a blind eye to it. It's quite interesting, it's pretty much the only place on the internet I encounter such posts.

They may be arguing against sanctions because they are ineffective and hurt the West. I haven't seen the stance to ignore the Ukraine invasion altogether. I wonder why you would single out HN for these posts. They appear in every comment section even of the mainstream press, on YouTube and other places. Ineffectiveness of sanctions is an old and legitimate topic. Certainly the topic is discussed behind closed doors e…

> They may be arguing against sanctions because they are ineffective and hurt the West. I haven't seen the stance to ignore the Ukraine invasion altogether.

There's a certain large part of the Republican party that goes way beyond that and are openly hostile to helping Ukraine in any way.

Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by andsoitis »

ghastmaster wrote: post #95
andsoitis wrote: post #40

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Not quite. Here you can read more about the underlying reasons: https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:rm226yb7473/Huawei-ZT...

The underlying reasons detailed in that report, again, are gripes about the corporate structure, transparency, and illegal practices. There are no current or past hardware or software threats detailed in that report. The "National Security Threat" posed by these companies is potential not actual. The justification to eliminate this potential is predicated on corporate shenanigans. The real threat they pose, in my opi…

But that is what risk (“threat”) is. It is something you assess before something deleterious happens in order to decide whether or not to take it on.

If you think of risk = impact * likelihood, it is quite rational to block them.

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Post by chitowneats »

somenameforme wrote: post #98
ranger47 wrote: post #23

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ELI5: The US and China are not very good friends, but Chinese goods still get sold to US markets. China's gov't has a hand in every company in its borders, or so it is suspected, since this is routinely denied by the companies and the Chinese gov't. Some of those companies make computers that can watch and listen to us, whether we ask them to or not. The US is no longer comfortable with that arrangement. Of course, i…

The way you're framing makes it sound unique to China. PRISM [1] hasn't gone anywhere and has certainly only expanded since the leaks. Google, Apple, Microsoft, and many others were all participating companies. If China starts stooping to the same level here they would be obligated to ban products from these companies and more. If they want to make a spectacle of it, they could even have a kangaroo court committee he…

It is absolutely them vs. us. We can choose to respond to their provocations or not, but they will continue them.

The more the techno-libertarian crowd denies this, the more irrelevant you become.

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Post by teawrecks »

somenameforme wrote: post #112
dingi wrote: post #32

Whe you consider China's restrictions against US companies, these things are a drop in a bucket.

What would you say is the best example? I'm aware China does aggressively censor US media type products that don't toe the Chinese worldview, but I'm less familiar with absolute bans of major companies of this sort. I may be misreading the situation here, but to me this seems like a rather extreme escalation that would be analogous to China banning e.g. Apple or Google based/created devices after questioning them ove…

China will happily ban any company that doesn't give them a backdoor to the version of the product that their citizens use.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_China

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Post by aworks »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #79
rgbrenner wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These companies have a board of Communist Party members that approve all company decisions/actions.

Even American companies in China have a Party cell. This is the law for all companies above a certain size. Those cells do not 'approve all company decisions'.

On a business trip to China, I accidentally walked into our company's Communist Party meeting (and was politely encouraged to quickly leave).

I have no idea if company-specific discussion ever occurred. Our office was mostly junior engineers so company decisions wouldn't be made at that level in any case.

Re: U.S. bans equipment from Huawei and ZTE, citing national security concerns

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Post by staticman2 »

huntertwo wrote: post #51
rgbrenner wrote: post #28

Reminder of how this started... when Huawei and ZTE decided that because they weren't American companies, they didnt need to answer questions from Congress, and even outright lied about the structure of their companies to conceal CPC/government involvement: https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/druid:rm226yb7473/Huawei-ZT...

Doesn’t everybody have the right to not answer questions? Americans don’t have to do this either

Americans have to answer questions if you are issued a legal subpoena, when it's census time, among other situations.
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