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Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Homeless people steal stuff mostly not for their own consumption, but to sell it.

Which would make this a gang problem, rather than a homeless problem.

No? Plenty of them do it as independent freelancers and fence it at less than reputable locations throughout the Tenderloin.

Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article claims that the BLM protests made little difference, and include a graph of various states comparing the amount of shoplifting with the amount of prosecution. Generally there doesn’t seem to be a correlation between states with large BLM protests and reduced prosecution. For example, Oregon had huge protests and weak government responses, and yet prosecutes large amounts of shoplifting. Blaming this on th…

Law enforcement is not done at the state level but at the city level.

The stats are prosecutions aggregated by state, not state prosecutions.

Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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Without clicking is the answer people stealing and it ending up “fulfilled by Amazon”?

The article suggests "organized crime". Basically it's gone beyond petty theft to organized rings who have efficient fencing organizations. In the old days it would be hard to get much money for the stick of deodorant you just stole, but apparently criminals have figured out how to use online market places to make it profitable and have started organizing large numbers of street level thieves to get their supply.

Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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Manhattan is getting the law enforcement it demanded.

Not really. Walk around the city and you see more cops than ever. The issue is that police don’t actually prevent crime. Putting more cops on the street is like trying to use water to extinguish a grease fire.

The cops are generally part of the crime problem in NYC. They also don't go after people for anything short of attempted murder (even when it's done in front of their faces), so lots of crime goes unreported.

Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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Same in SF, I assumed it was because of the homelessness problem. Seems more likely than shoplifting gangs..

The homeless population (including those in shelters and cars) is < 1% of SF's population. Even if they used products at the same rate as the rest of the population and stole 100% of what they used, they would be responsible for less than half of retail shrinkage.

What if they were selling it to get money for drugs?

Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article claims that the BLM protests made little difference, and include a graph of various states comparing the amount of shoplifting with the amount of prosecution. Generally there doesn’t seem to be a correlation between states with large BLM protests and reduced prosecution. For example, Oregon had huge protests and weak government responses, and yet prosecutes large amounts of shoplifting. Blaming this on th…

Law enforcement is not done at the state level but at the city level.

False. Law enforcement has many layers with concurrent jurisdiction. It’s not just city. How each jurisdiction polices can vary widely depending on where you are.

Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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> "The stores are insured bro, why do you care if people steal from them? It's not your problem maaan." This is why I care. Criminals degrade society and we all suffer for their greed.

But society first needs to be in a degraded state for most criminals to exist, as most only meet their basic needs through criminal means, such as food, shelter, health and education.

Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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> "The stores are insured bro, why do you care if people steal from them? It's not your problem maaan." This is why I care. Criminals degrade society and we all suffer for their greed.

If you want law enforcement to deal with petty crimes, you're going to have to contend with the externalities of cops operating anywhere. How many bystanders and innocent people reported by paranoid suburbanites are you willing to see injured or killed to protect that deodorant shelf?

Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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> "The stores are insured bro, why do you care if people steal from them? It's not your problem maaan." This is why I care. Criminals degrade society and we all suffer for their greed.

That sounds a little like you think criminals aren't a necessary symptom of "living in a scarcity society" itself...? As long as it's easier to take something than it is to pay for something, there will be people who take, and there will be groups that organize around taking.

Pretending that crime is some kind of quirk that you can get rid of if only [fill in reasons here], and that the grey and black markets wouldn't exist if only we didn't have crime, implies a lack of understanding when it comes to socioeconomics.

Unless you know how to get us to a post-scarcity world of course, in which case: please make that happen. We're all tired.

Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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I'd wondered if someone figured out how to turn deodorant into meth, since they started protecting it like Sudafed even after Sudafed was removed from the Sudafed boxes sold as Sudafed (phenylphrine is not pseudoephedrine and is not effective). Sudafed, baby formula, deodorant, and razor blades, together could sound like a Jesse Pinkman shopping list before he found a high school chemistry teacher to help him. At the…

“Sudafed” labeled pseudoephedrine is still available for sale, I have some in my cabinet, bought this spring.

Where I am in the US, there’s a pretty strict rate limit.
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