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Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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“Sudafed” labeled pseudoephedrine is still available for sale, I have some in my cabinet, bought this spring.

True, but it's more complicated to acquire and not available right off the shelf.

"A Simple and Convenient Synthesis of Pseudoephedrine From N-Methylamphetamine"

https://improbable.com/airchives/paperair/volume19/v19i3/Pse...

Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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The article says prosecutors don't go after these thefts but I'd think the issue is with the cops and the number of arrests. After the BLM protests of 2020 (George Floyd) cops basically went hands off on these so called minor crimes, and so I'd imagine many of them don't even make it to prosecutors. We'd need a graph of incidents and arrests for years prior to 2020 (or months in early vs late 2020) to see the change.

Has the number of cops shooting people actually decreased? Considering that they've never even looked for a bicycle, which is many times more expensive than a stick of deodorant, I'm seriously doubtful that they've ever have been hands on for these thefts.

Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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The article says prosecutors don't go after these thefts but I'd think the issue is with the cops and the number of arrests. After the BLM protests of 2020 (George Floyd) cops basically went hands off on these so called minor crimes, and so I'd imagine many of them don't even make it to prosecutors. We'd need a graph of incidents and arrests for years prior to 2020 (or months in early vs late 2020) to see the change.

The article claims that the BLM protests made little difference, and include a graph of various states comparing the amount of shoplifting with the amount of prosecution. Generally there doesn’t seem to be a correlation between states with large BLM protests and reduced prosecution.

For example, Oregon had huge protests and weak government responses, and yet prosecutes large amounts of shoplifting.

Blaming this on the response to BLM seems intuitive, but I have yet to see data that supports it.

Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$ curl -s 'https://www.economist.com/united-states/2022/11/24/why-its-hard-to-buy-deodorant-in-manhattan' | grep articleBody | jq -r .articleBody 2>/dev/null | fmt

Best trick on HN today.

good trick, but it really highlights how thin the article is.

Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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post #22

The article says prosecutors don't go after these thefts but I'd think the issue is with the cops and the number of arrests. After the BLM protests of 2020 (George Floyd) cops basically went hands off on these so called minor crimes, and so I'd imagine many of them don't even make it to prosecutors. We'd need a graph of incidents and arrests for years prior to 2020 (or months in early vs late 2020) to see the change.

Has the number of cops shooting people actually decreased? Considering that they've never even looked for a bicycle, which is many times more expensive than a stick of deodorant, I'm seriously doubtful that they've ever have been hands on for these thefts.

no, avoiding minor crimes has no bearing on whether the cops “feared for their lives” during the times they did show up

Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The homeless population (including those in shelters and cars) is < 1% of SF's population. Even if they used products at the same rate as the rest of the population and stole 100% of what they used, they would be responsible for less than half of retail shrinkage.

Homeless people steal stuff mostly not for their own consumption, but to sell it.

Which would make this a gang problem, rather than a homeless problem.

Re: Why it’s hard to buy deodorant in Manhattan

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The article says prosecutors don't go after these thefts but I'd think the issue is with the cops and the number of arrests. After the BLM protests of 2020 (George Floyd) cops basically went hands off on these so called minor crimes, and so I'd imagine many of them don't even make it to prosecutors. We'd need a graph of incidents and arrests for years prior to 2020 (or months in early vs late 2020) to see the change.

> The article says prosecutors don't go after these thefts

the article says that was speculated but not borne out by the data.

> What is behind this unwelcome rise? Some speculated that prosecutors had gone soft on looting after the Black Lives Matter protests in 2020. But it is hard to see any such trend in the data: generally states with more shoplifting prosecute more shoplifters (see chart).

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