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Re: EVs are the least reliable vehicle type: Consumer Reports

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Post by jtbayly »

Kon-Peki wrote: post #7
Markoff wrote: post #2

Article: While demand for electric vehicles has surged in last two years, new data from Consumer Reports finding that EVs are among the least reliable cars in the auto industry. Pras Subramanian here with the details and Pras, clearly something that the auto industry doesn't necessarily want to hear. PRAS SUBRAMANIAN: Yeah, you know, I was a little surprised to hear that. Because EVs, generally speaking, are simpler…

> So Consumer Reports put together 3 of their top hybrids here. The Lexus NX came out a few years ago in the premium luxury segment here. Very nice car, attractive car, good mileage there. The Ford Maverick. Now we actually had this truck. It is a small compact utility pickup truck. Unibody construction, 38 MPG with hybrid. Yeah. What's really surprising about the Ford Maverick rated so highly is not really that it's…

Simplify the vehicle by removing all the gimmicky crap that they use to justify charging extra, and it gets more reliable? Crazy...

Re: EVs are the least reliable vehicle type: Consumer Reports

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Post by jvanderbot »

cptskippy wrote: post #186
ridgered4 wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently watched a youtube video where a guy rented a Tesla and was frustrated that he needed to dig through touchscreen menus to open the glove box. Apparently it did not have a release latch.

The Model 3/Y are not good rental cars. They're fantastic cars IMO but they take some time to get accustom to, that's not something you want in a rental car. To open the glove box requires 2 screen presses or activating the voice controls. On the one hand it's an uncommonly used feature, I think I've opened mine once this year. On the other hand it's rather silly that there isn't a button or sensor to allow you to op…

The only upside to all the lack of buttons and switches is security. You cannot open the glove box, trunk, drink, or the vehicle without your phone or car key card.

Re: EVs are the least reliable vehicle type: Consumer Reports

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Post by jstarfish »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #27
tunap wrote: post #21

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My cousin recently had a flat tire in her EV. Roadside Assistance did not have a spare, required an expensive tow & her day was a total loss. Dragging a toddler along made a stressful experience worse, as well. I did not previously realize most(?) EVs have no spare tire included.

Many new cars do not come with a spare either. I had a family friend I needed to help, and their Dodge caravan minivan, only came with an air pump that had a sealant to patch holes in the tire.

Was that standard, or an instance of the dealer stripping the accessories and marketing them as as add-ons? First I've heard of this.

(Minivans often mount the spare in weird places around the undercarriage, not anywhere obvious...)

Re: EVs are the least reliable vehicle type: Consumer Reports

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Post by lotsofpulp »

jstarfish wrote: post #193
lotsofpulp wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many new cars do not come with a spare either. I had a family friend I needed to help, and their Dodge caravan minivan, only came with an air pump that had a sealant to patch holes in the tire.

Was that standard, or an instance of the dealer stripping the accessories and marketing them as as add-ons? First I've heard of this. (Minivans often mount the spare in weird places around the undercarriage, not anywhere obvious...)

Could have been the dealer stripping the accessory, I do not buy cars often enough to know.

Re: EVs are the least reliable vehicle type: Consumer Reports

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Post by krzyk »

audunw wrote: post #56
krzyk wrote: post #41

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Teslas the majority? I always assume Tesla was a more luxury brand of EVs. Is there any ranking of amount of EVs by brand sold to date? AFAIR Nissan Leaf was selling quite well some time in Europe. And in 2022 I see BYD sold more vehicles than Tesla, but I can't find data for all the EVs sold in the past.

> I always assume Tesla was a more luxury brand of EVs. Eh, Model S was high-end but wouldn't call it luxury. Lots of regular people with a decent income bought it. Interior wasn't up to "luxury" standards. My kindergarten teacher has a Model 3, so that's not really luxury at all.

Model 3 is 2x the price of Nissan Leaf, and Leaf is a bit price for its size. Leaf costs 2x the price of equivalent petrol car.

A car that costs 4x the price of "normal car" is a luxury for my taste.

And Model 3 is the least expensive Tesla car.

Re: EVs are the least reliable vehicle type: Consumer Reports

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Post by lowercased »

inetknght wrote: post #20
Bostonian wrote: post #4

The government should not ban gas-powered vehicles and force people to buy the "least reliable vehicle type", as California and other states are doing.

Gas powered vehicles still have utility in rural areas. But in the suburbs and especially in the cities? EV is the least-worst option. Pedestrians, bicycles, and mass transit should be the focus in suburbs and cities.

An increase in 'flex fuel' vehicles, and converting more household and commercial ICE to accomodate flex fuel (E85, etc) would provide a smoother transition. We collectively seem to have simply dropped any interest in this, despite having some infrastructure in place already, and burning cleaner than existing petrol.

Re: EVs are the least reliable vehicle type: Consumer Reports

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Post by kube-system »

jstarfish wrote: post #193
lotsofpulp wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many new cars do not come with a spare either. I had a family friend I needed to help, and their Dodge caravan minivan, only came with an air pump that had a sealant to patch holes in the tire.

Was that standard, or an instance of the dealer stripping the accessories and marketing them as as add-ons? First I've heard of this. (Minivans often mount the spare in weird places around the undercarriage, not anywhere obvious...)

Some caravans have the spare in a strange place under the middle of the van, and you might not find it unless you read the owners manual a couple times while scratching your head saying "wait, it's there?" Later vans had no spare at all from the factory. It's very common these days for vehicles to come without a spare. The fact that many people don't realize this is exactly why they do it.

Re: EVs are the least reliable vehicle type: Consumer Reports

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Post by fragmede »

krzyk wrote: post #195
audunw wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I always assume Tesla was a more luxury brand of EVs. Eh, Model S was high-end but wouldn't call it luxury. Lots of regular people with a decent income bought it. Interior wasn't up to "luxury" standards. My kindergarten teacher has a Model 3, so that's not really luxury at all.

Model 3 is 2x the price of Nissan Leaf, and Leaf is a bit price for its size. Leaf costs 2x the price of equivalent petrol car. A car that costs 4x the price of "normal car" is a luxury for my taste. And Model 3 is the least expensive Tesla car.

Eh depends on what you call equivalent. A base model 2023 Toyota Corolla is $21k, a fully decked out one is $28k or so. A 2022 Nissan Leaf is $27k. So not quite double.

Re: EVs are the least reliable vehicle type: Consumer Reports

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Post by cptskippy »

jvanderbot wrote: post #192
cptskippy wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Model 3/Y are not good rental cars. They're fantastic cars IMO but they take some time to get accustom to, that's not something you want in a rental car. To open the glove box requires 2 screen presses or activating the voice controls. On the one hand it's an uncommonly used feature, I think I've opened mine once this year. On the other hand it's rather silly that there isn't a button or sensor to allow you to op…

The only upside to all the lack of buttons and switches is security. You cannot open the glove box, trunk, drink, or the vehicle without your phone or car key card.

I don't know that it matters.

I believe if the car is unlocked, then the screen can be used to open the glove box. If the car isn't unlocked, then you broke in and prying open the glove box isn't beyond what you're willing to do.

Re: EVs are the least reliable vehicle type: Consumer Reports

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Post by Kirby64 »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #188
Kirby64 wrote: post #179

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Chevy Bolt and Nissan Leaf are both cars I would consider to be Civic-class cars. Especially the Bolt. They also happen to be two of the cheapest EVs on the road, so it lines up.

Class possibly, but not price. Here in Canada the Leaf is $40k and the Bolt is $38k while the Civic is $26k.

I can't speak to other regions, but the base model Chevy Bolt is $26.6k in the USA. The Nissan Leaf is $28k.

Honda Civic base in USA is $24.6k.

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