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Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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Need to store virtual machines with both the operating system and the reader/converter software included. There are lots of bits that can rot...

No, you don't lol. You do realize both the algorithm to decompress the media, and the media as well can be stored alongside, right? Including. any instructions to actually use that media.

Sure, but rewriting software in order to access books is a lot of extra work. I just store the VM containing the necessary tools and make sure it still executes in the new HW+os when they are upgraded.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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That's what backups and RAID arrays are for. We certainly know by now how to build a redundancy that will guaranty the data safety. For most of the libraries it's really a budget problem - they've been given huge expensive buildings with controlled air conditions for storing paper books and that's sort of taken for granted, but then governments take cuts on providing them with proper IT infrastructure and knowledgeab…

> That's what backups and RAID arrays are for. the point is exactly that: if you have to rely on very complex setups to keep the data fresh, it means that the data is not safe. can you imagine an hard disk surviving from the ancient Egypt to us?

Wasn't the point of the original comment that the setup to keep paper safe is also very complex?

Another question I wonder about: How hard is noticing the failures?

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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Not an option. Rooting the device voids the warranty. It's not a reasonable thing to ask the average person.

> Rooting the device voids the warranty. I’m pretty sure it would depend on the country you’re in . Even if that’s actually the case in the US

Even if it doesn’t void the warranty, it voids SafetyNet, so now Netflix and other apps might refuse to work.

And even if it didn’t, it increases the attack surface. Random apps can ask for root, and the average user won’t know what it means.

And even if you know the risks, now it’s much more of a hassle keeping your device up-to-date.

So yes, rooting is theoretically a solution, but it’s not practical in the least.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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Physical books wear out in decades to centuries, computers break in years to decades. Also digital formats are constantly evolving and backwards compatibility for old formats is removed. Even without publisher/legal issues it's clear that preservation of digital media for even the next 10 years , and especially for the next 100 or 1000, is at risk. But I really wonder why is there no other major service like the Inte…

Check out Arweave. It's not quite as tested as something like BitTorrent but 'perpetual endowments' in theory make data on Arweave persist "forever"

That kinda misses the point. The issue is that it requires active effort to keep it alive for more than a few years. While a physical book needs to be actively destroyed to completely disapper.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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I have paperbacks over 100 years old that are still easily readable. It is in the shelf. Before that it was on my grandfathers shelf. The transformation was quite easy. Shelf ot Shelf. Somewhere on an Amazon server I have a couple of thousand Kindle eBooks. How long will Kindle device be around and useable? They may disappear at any moment really. I have also bought book and publications in other formats. PDFs, Word…

There are still USB floppy disk drives out there. They work fine in Windows and Linux. They'll even work with USB-OTG on Android. There's a listing on eBay right now for a USB 750MB Zip Drive. I imagine you could get it working in Windows and Linux without much trouble. I've got a monitor that supports something like a dozen different memory cards. Memory card readers are incredibly cheap. All those digital mediums a…

Have you tried to read a 5 volt smartmedia card recently? I came across a few 2 megabyte 5v cards when going through my Dad's stuff a few years back. I stuck them on EBay because it was better than just throwing them away, and was astonished when they fetched £30 a pop. I can only imagine they're used by some classic synth gear or something like that.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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post #313

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> That's what backups and RAID arrays are for. the point is exactly that: if you have to rely on very complex setups to keep the data fresh, it means that the data is not safe. can you imagine an hard disk surviving from the ancient Egypt to us?

Wasn't the point of the original comment that the setup to keep paper safe is also very complex? Another question I wonder about: How hard is noticing the failures?

The cold hard truth here is that curating information is actually a very difficult problem - but paper records will survive longer than digital records if no-one's actively looking after them.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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> Rooting the device voids the warranty. I’m pretty sure it would depend on the country you’re in . Even if that’s actually the case in the US

Even if it doesn’t void the warranty, it voids SafetyNet, so now Netflix and other apps might refuse to work. And even if it didn’t, it increases the attack surface. Random apps can ask for root, and the average user won’t know what it means. And even if you know the risks, now it’s much more of a hassle keeping your device up-to-date. So yes, rooting is theoretically a solution, but it’s not practical in the least.

If Netflix refuses to offer their services on a device that you own, you're always free not to pay netflix and instead take your money and attention elsewhere.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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Physical books wear out in decades to centuries, computers break in years to decades. Also digital formats are constantly evolving and backwards compatibility for old formats is removed. Even without publisher/legal issues it's clear that preservation of digital media for even the next 10 years , and especially for the next 100 or 1000, is at risk. But I really wonder why is there no other major service like the Inte…

> why is there no other major service like the Internet Archive?

Copyright? I'd pay monthly to access an archive of media older than 20 years.

Re: Digital books wear out faster than physical books

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> Rooting the device voids the warranty. I’m pretty sure it would depend on the country you’re in . Even if that’s actually the case in the US

Even if it doesn’t void the warranty, it voids SafetyNet, so now Netflix and other apps might refuse to work. And even if it didn’t, it increases the attack surface. Random apps can ask for root, and the average user won’t know what it means. And even if you know the risks, now it’s much more of a hassle keeping your device up-to-date. So yes, rooting is theoretically a solution, but it’s not practical in the least.

And that's the problem with "owning your device entirely".

Most people are not capable (or willing) to own their device to its full extent and take responsibility for it.

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