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Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Re: Myocarditis after Covid vaccination: Research on possible long-term risks begins

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Post by ceejayoz »

robomartin wrote: post #613
ceejayoz wrote: post #310

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All of this was true pre-ACA, but worse (in my family's case, much worse; we went bankrupt over $90k in medical bills back in the 2000s). As it was, the thing barely passed.

> All of this was true pre-ACA, but worse (in my family's case, much worse; we went bankrupt over $90k in medical bills back in the 2000s). As it was, the thing barely passed. Sorry to hear that. One of the massive negative side-effects of ACA will come to the national forefront in a few years. We now have tens of millions of people enrolled in Medicaid. What most don't understand is that, after 55 years of age, this…

I'd rather have to do a little estate planning in my 50s than not make it there because I was uninsured in my 30s. The nursing home thing is very, very well known, you can plan ahead to avoid it, and most of the folks poor enough to benefit from Medicaid expansion weren't going to pass down much anyways.

Medicaid expansion is also just one portion of the ACA.

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Post by LilBytes »

pvaldes wrote: post #476
frant-hartm wrote: post #59

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What was different in EU? Didn't we approve the same vaccines few weeks later?

The president was not promoting snake oil, for example.

Kind way of describing bleach.

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Post by veeti »

jjcon wrote: post #283
veeti wrote: post #279

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These numbers are wrong for Finland. Source: https://yle.fi/news/3-11863045

I'm seeing 72.4 from your source (last updated just over a month ago) vs 74% from the NYT. I'm guessing your source is just slightly older? +1.6% in the past month seems reasonable to me

What are you talking about? Only 54% - or only 18% if you consider 4th dose, not available to general population - are boosted. The number in NYT is blatantly false.

Surely you are not adding 3rd + 4th dose together? You can't do that. They are the same group of people. If everyone who got the 3rd shot got the 4th today, 108% of Finnish population would be boosted?

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Post by bluGill »

spfzero wrote: post #544
SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #284

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> It cannot stop transmission, clearly. The country is mostly vaccinated and cases continue, no herd immunity ever showed up. This is a miststament.

You quoted two statements. For the first, I'm not going to further defend it, see above, it is widely accepted these days. For the second statement there are two assertions, that the country is mostly vaccinated, and that no herd immunity ever showed up. The country is mostly vaccinated, so I think you must be questioning whether herd immunity showed up. I do think some amount of immunity showed up, if by immunity yo…

You often need 90% of the county vaccinated at once to get herd immunity. We are not that high.

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Post by exodust »

koolba wrote: post #348
jjcon wrote: post #268

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Is anyone requiring boosters for work, study or travel? Not to my knowledge.

New York University (NYU) requires boosters for all students: https://www.nyu.edu/life/safety-health-wellness/coronavirus-...

"Students may request an exemption from the vaccination requirement for medical or religious reasons"

Even as an atheist, I'd be getting the religious exemption for sure! Mandating boosters for healthy young students doesn't make a lot of sense. We know now that vaccination is not the way transmission of the virus is managed.

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Post by n4r9 »

thatswrong0 wrote: post #243
n4r9 wrote: post #222

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Is it possibly this discussion? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27463732 There are people talking about heart palpitations or pains, yard to say if that's enough to say they had myocarditis though.

I posted in that thread - saw a cardiologist and they confirmed it. In retrospect, it was probably the worst illness I've ever had, being completely out of commission for a month at age 29, where even doing simple things like rolling over in bed would cause my heart rate to spike and cause me to be short of breath. Couldn't do anything but lay there. Luckily a scan confirmed no long term damage. For some reason still…

That sounds really rough; I'm glad you're feeling better.

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Post by exodust »

asveikau wrote: post #494
no_butterscotch wrote: post #124

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> We are still not anti-vax at all. In fact, I might go for my next booster today. I'm curious about this. In my world COVID is over now. I live in San Francisco. Nobody I know is getting boosters or is worried about it anymore. Where do you live and what are the circumstances like there that you're considering getting your "next" one? (you've been boosted before?).

> Nobody I know is getting boosters or is worried about it anymore Your San Francisco social circles are different from mine. Most people I talk to about this got the bivalent booster and got the old booster last year. But people do not seem super worried at this phase. The booster is something routine like a flu shot.

Last I checked only about 50% of people ever get the flu shot routinely. And isn't the idea of flu shot that it prevents symptomatic infection? The whole reason why people get the flu shot is they don't want to get the flu. Covid vaccine doesn't stop symptoms the same way.

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Post by exodust »

trog wrote: post #626
jesterson wrote: post #608

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It boggles my mind that despite inflicting obvious and severe harm on your very own kids, people still believe in "vaccines". Let alone $10k. Chances you kid would have gotten any troubles from covid are statistically absolutely negligible, given his age and hopefully absence of other illnesses. Now you can blame as anti-vaxxer and sorts, but at least I didn't get myocarditis.

> It boggles my mind that despite inflicting obvious and severe harm on your very own kids, people still believe in "vaccines". Let alone $10k. it boggles my mind that despite being plugged into an information network people can be this staggeringly ignorant about the wild success of vaccines

"Wild success"? That isn't helpful. While I don't agree with previous comment implying obvious and severe harm from vaccines, it's well known that kids rarely get sick from covid. It's well known the vaccine effectiveness wanes in a short time, and doesn't stop symptomatic infection, and is doing very little to stop transmission. It's only real benefit is prevention of serious illness in those most vulnerable. Given these facts, you can't blame people for not wanting to jab their kids with covid vaccines.

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Post by benibela »

davnn wrote: post #601
sfusato wrote: post #7

Norway recommends booster doses for 65+ [0], Denmark for 50+ [1], Australia for 50+ [2], Sweeden for 65+ [3], Finland for 65+ [4]. United States recommends booster does for 5+ [5]. "The (Florida) State Surgeon General now recommends against the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines for males ages 18-39 years old." [6] [0] https://www.fhi.no/en/id/vaccines/coronavirus-immunisation-p... [1] https://www.sst.dk/en/English/Corona-eng/Va…

In Austria, the booster was mandatory (otherwise you would not be allowed to participate in any social life) even for young people.

In Germany, too

Vaccinated twice without booster, you are still considered unvaccinated

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Post by taolegal »

matrix_overload wrote: post #455
taolegal wrote: post #10

The same people who wouldn't be charitable with, say, Exxon, are bending over backwards to defend global pharmaceuticals. Exxon has an interest in minimizing (disregarding) the harmful effects of their products and same goes for Pfizer & friends who's got every govt funneling money to them seemingly without limit.

Because the Big Pharma played the centuries-old trick from a conqueror's handbook: give your vassals a tiny bit of power over their peers, while pillaging the land for profit. So the activists now enjoy the newly given power to bash, shame and deplatform anyone who could be labeled as "antivaxxers", while predictably turning a blind eye towards the hand that gave them that power.

There's a control aspect, but I think the labels are just standard totalitarianism. That maybe 30%~40% of the population (hopefully not more) don't have a spine & just conform to anything in the hopes of social reward. So labelling is just a way to say "I'm not a bad person" when in fact the people who just blindly conform end up solidifying the worst trends in society. It's scapegoating.
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