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Re: 'Be' is nice, end of story

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Post by BirAdam »

helf wrote: post #27

BeFS was amazing. I miss BeOS, TBH. I ran a heavily customized BeOS R5.05 install that had upgraded bits from OpenBeOS (later, HaikuOS), ZetaOS etc. I ran it as a daily driver on a Dell GX1 SFF that I swear was designed for BeOS: Max RAM the BeOS kernel supported without hackery was 768MB - The GX maxed out at 768MB; The GX1 had a Rage GPU that BeOS natively supported (Including 3D Acceleration!) which was a very sho…

If you can recall how you got SSL going, please let everyone know!

Edit: also, you're photos made me quite happy. Beautiful machines.

Re: 'Be' is nice, end of story

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Post by systems_glitch »

I first heard about Be hardware in 1997 or so, a friend in school's dad was a programmer for TWA and had convinced them to buy one of the dual 66 MHz boxes for him. When the 133 MHz boxes came out, he again got $work to buy one, and my friend got the 66 MHz version! I was very envious of the GeekPort, and for many years got by hacking on the PC parallel port...blew up more than one :P

Re: 'Be' is nice, end of story

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Post by BirAdam »

pjmlp wrote: post #73
amatecha wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You daily-drove a NeXTstation until 2008?! That's badass! kudos. I always appreciate people using stuff for as long as possible, especially when it's something awesome like a NeXT system, haha :) Dude.. just found the "for ebay" album on your Flickr profile... omg :( (Oooh also SGI Onyx2.. nice. I search the term "sgi" on Craigslist every day. All I have is a pair of O2's)

That is indeed incredbible, my graduation thesis was porting my supervisors' particle engine from Objective-C/OpenGL into C++/OpenGL/MFC, because his NeXT Cube was going to be decommissioned. This was still during the 1990's.

I have a non-working Indigo 2 10k that I keep meaning to refurbish, but finding a monitor that supports sync on green that still works is exceedingly difficult.

Re: 'Be' is nice, end of story

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Post by BirAdam »

allenbrunson wrote: post #100

i worked at be, in the year 2000, for seven months. i got laid off when the company went out of business and got acquired. a few relics from my time there. my business card https://platinumball.net/be/business_card.jpg third floor break room. i saw jlg sitting on that couch, holding forth on the company, once or twice. https://platinumball.net/be/break_room.jpg a clipboard made out of a bebox motherboard. yep, i stil…

Do you mind if I add these to my article?

Re: 'Be' is nice, end of story

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Post by BirAdam »

zozbot234 wrote: post #115
dominicm wrote: post #51

I worked on Haiku this summer as part of Google summer of code, and it just made me wish their attitude towards user experience was more prevalent in mainstream OSs. It's little things like errors automatically prompting you to open a graphical debugger or processes being grouped by application. There's sensible UX that doesn't expect me to be a wizard to understand what's going on or how to dig deeper. Obviously it…

> It's little things like errors automatically prompting you to open a graphical debugger or processes being grouped by application. SerenityOS is also doing a lot to perfect their UX. It might become at least as popular as Haiku down the line.

I absolutely love SerenityOS, and it has been moving at an outrageously quick pace.

Re: 'Be' is nice, end of story

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Post by E39M5S62 »

helf wrote: post #31
abruzzi wrote: post #6

I didn't realize there were so few BeBoxen made. I wonder if I kept mine what it would be worth to a collector?

Well, I sold mine for almost $800 like a decade ago and they are only getting harder to find. I wish I had kept mine.

Same. I had a dual 133mhz back in ~2000. I regret selling it, but bills had to be paid and I just couldn't use it as my main computer at that point.

Re: 'Be' is nice, end of story

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Post by SSLy »

the_other wrote: post #98
randall wrote: post #3

Beos had serato in 1999. http://testou.free.fr/www.beatjapan.org/mirror/www.be.com/ab...

Serato's great software. I very much hope one day to see another integrated Be-inspired system emerge, in the vein of 00s era Apple (and the original BeBox). Narrow product line, tight hardware-software integration; striking, thoughtful and fun UI; notably different paradigm and features from the competition such that it scratches an itch the others are ignoring. This bit of history gives me so much hope (tinged with…

https://teenage.engineering/products/op-1/original https://shop.play.date/ https://www.analogue.co/pocket i guess

Re: 'Be' is nice, end of story

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Post by dominicm »

Someone wrote: post #105
dominicm wrote: post #51

I worked on Haiku this summer as part of Google summer of code, and it just made me wish their attitude towards user experience was more prevalent in mainstream OSs. It's little things like errors automatically prompting you to open a graphical debugger or processes being grouped by application. There's sensible UX that doesn't expect me to be a wizard to understand what's going on or how to dig deeper. Obviously it…

> It's little things like errors automatically prompting you to open a graphical debugger […] sensible UX that doesn't expect me to be a wizard I think that shows what the target audience is. I think most people wouldn’t know what to do with that prompt, other than immediately discard it.

> I think that shows what the target audience is. I think most people wouldn’t know what to do with that prompt, other than immediately discard it.

That's a fair complaint, and I'm definitely biased since I'm technically oriented. That said, discarding it is totally fine as long as people who want it at least get the option; and if even showing it is too confusing to users, it's a lot better to have a "developer" toggle in settings that enables all this stuff, rather than not having it at all.

Haiku's certainly not crazy accessible right now, but it has some ideas that I think other OSs should take note of.

Re: 'Be' is nice, end of story

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Post by allenbrunson »

BirAdam wrote: post #124
allenbrunson wrote: post #100

i worked at be, in the year 2000, for seven months. i got laid off when the company went out of business and got acquired. a few relics from my time there. my business card https://platinumball.net/be/business_card.jpg third floor break room. i saw jlg sitting on that couch, holding forth on the company, once or twice. https://platinumball.net/be/break_room.jpg a clipboard made out of a bebox motherboard. yep, i stil…

Do you mind if I add these to my article?

hey, go right ahead! that's not even all my stuff. i have a couple of beos coffee cups, several boxed copies of beos, and several books.

one thing, though: i am pretty sure that the haiku error messages were only in netpositive, the web browser, and not in any other beos apps.

Re: 'Be' is nice, end of story

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Post by BirAdam »

ilyt wrote: post #78
KronisLV wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No warnings, nothing that stopped you. I'm not sure I follow why this is a good thing. Having the option is good, but some sort of a sanity check and a warning dialog just seems like looking out for your users. For example, I recently used Linux on the desktop as my daily driver and wrote about my experiences [1]. At one point, I considered that the system was perhaps a bit of a mess in regards to the installed pac…

About Linus, I've migrated some people to Debian purely because they managed to fuck up the Ubuntu (or one of its flavours) upgrade somehow... and those were not linux-illiterate people. I dunno what it is but Ubuntu have weirdly higher rate of fuckups on upgrade than we've seen with Debian. Hell, it even survived that one time one of our admins upgraded by 2 releases of debian at once... Might be conjecture based on…

This could have been something as simple as bad install media, ignoring dpkg error messages, incompatible package versions if something was manually installed, etc.

Linux these days is quite a bit easier, but there are still edge cases that can cause problems.

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