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Re: 'Be' is nice, end of story

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Post by jagged-chisel »

allenbrunson wrote: post #100

i worked at be, in the year 2000, for seven months. i got laid off when the company went out of business and got acquired. a few relics from my time there. my business card https://platinumball.net/be/business_card.jpg third floor break room. i saw jlg sitting on that couch, holding forth on the company, once or twice. https://platinumball.net/be/break_room.jpg a clipboard made out of a bebox motherboard. yep, i stil…

All your links are 403 from here.

> Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

Re: 'Be' is nice, end of story

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Post by tambourine_man »

dominicm wrote: post #51

I worked on Haiku this summer as part of Google summer of code, and it just made me wish their attitude towards user experience was more prevalent in mainstream OSs. It's little things like errors automatically prompting you to open a graphical debugger or processes being grouped by application. There's sensible UX that doesn't expect me to be a wizard to understand what's going on or how to dig deeper. Obviously it…

>processes being grouped by application

Activity Monitor in macOS can do that too.

Re: 'Be' is nice, end of story

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Post by chrisshroba »

jagged-chisel wrote: post #101
allenbrunson wrote: post #100

i worked at be, in the year 2000, for seven months. i got laid off when the company went out of business and got acquired. a few relics from my time there. my business card https://platinumball.net/be/business_card.jpg third floor break room. i saw jlg sitting on that couch, holding forth on the company, once or twice. https://platinumball.net/be/break_room.jpg a clipboard made out of a bebox motherboard. yep, i stil…

All your links are 403 from here. > Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

Same here

Re: 'Be' is nice, end of story

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jagged-chisel wrote: post #101
allenbrunson wrote: post #100

i worked at be, in the year 2000, for seven months. i got laid off when the company went out of business and got acquired. a few relics from my time there. my business card https://platinumball.net/be/business_card.jpg third floor break room. i saw jlg sitting on that couch, holding forth on the company, once or twice. https://platinumball.net/be/break_room.jpg a clipboard made out of a bebox motherboard. yep, i stil…

All your links are 403 from here. > Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

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Re: 'Be' is nice, end of story

#105

Post by Someone »

dominicm wrote: post #51

I worked on Haiku this summer as part of Google summer of code, and it just made me wish their attitude towards user experience was more prevalent in mainstream OSs. It's little things like errors automatically prompting you to open a graphical debugger or processes being grouped by application. There's sensible UX that doesn't expect me to be a wizard to understand what's going on or how to dig deeper. Obviously it…

> It's little things like errors automatically prompting you to open a graphical debugger […] sensible UX that doesn't expect me to be a wizard

I think that shows what the target audience is. I think most people wouldn’t know what to do with that prompt, other than immediately discard it.

Re: 'Be' is nice, end of story

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Post by acdha »

pjmlp wrote: post #74
acdha wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple had a much bigger market. They had problems with mismanagement to be sure but every designer, many authors and photographers, tons of schools, etc. had Macs on their desks. That gave them enough revenue to get a new OS out the door, and the industrial design on the iMac and Titanium PowerBook were enough to keep sales up during the bridge period. I worked on an internet appliance using BeOS around 2000. The dev…

Not for Portuguese designer, many authors and photographers, tons of schools,... We only had one Apple official reseller store in Lisbon for the whole country, and outside a couple of university labs and companies with headquarters on the capital, they were only seen on computer magazines.

Oh, definitely. My experience at the time is limited to the United States where you had things like “Apples for the teachers” programs where you could save supermarket receipts and the store would donate a percent of the combined total to the local school in the form of new Macs. Those niches were Apple’s air supply.

Re: 'Be' is nice, end of story

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Post by mwcampbell »

> but he also stewarded many great projects: [...] the Macintosh Portable

My understanding was that the Macintosh Portable was an awful product, because it was just too big and the screen wasn't backlit. I never saw one myself, though.

Re: 'Be' is nice, end of story

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Post by dominicm »

gattilorenz wrote: post #58
dominicm wrote: post #51

I worked on Haiku this summer as part of Google summer of code, and it just made me wish their attitude towards user experience was more prevalent in mainstream OSs. It's little things like errors automatically prompting you to open a graphical debugger or processes being grouped by application. There's sensible UX that doesn't expect me to be a wizard to understand what's going on or how to dig deeper. Obviously it…

> It's little things like errors automatically prompting you to open a graphical debugger or processes being grouped by application. I think after Windows 7 the processes are grouped per application in Task Manager. We’re all grumpy about the redesigns of things we are familiar with, but little UX improvements happen all the time.

> I think after Windows 7 the processes are grouped per application in Task Manager. We’re all grumpy about the redesigns of things we are familiar with, but little UX improvements happen all the time.

You're right; I was mostly thinking about problems with Linux since thats my daily driver. It would have been better to say that Haiku gives developers the same UX affordances for interacting with their system as non-technical users.

When using Linux I'm frustrated by an overall lack of UX, but when using Windows/Mac it's developer specific UX that's ignored.

Re: 'Be' is nice, end of story

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Post by robinsonb5 »

AshamedCaptain wrote: post #77
tartoran wrote: post #15

Im itching for a simple OS that is user friendly and just simple, something that would instant boot and would be functional offline. Linux is great and all but sometimes it feels too bloated for a simple limited purpose machine..

The era of these type of "simple" OSes has come to an end. Linux is now the king of hardware support and nothing out there can even try to compete, not even Windows. And "consumer" hardware support is getting harder and harder; we did not really improve the situation at all from the 90s. Linux drivers, while some of them are not proprietary (before you ask: Android drivers are mostly proprietary), are still inseparab…

While on a practical level I think you're 100% correct, the irony is that there does seem to be a growing appetite for simpler OS projects, which go hand-in-hand with a growing sense of frustration and disappointment with what Linux has become. (In some ways it now represents a lot of what I was trying to escape by moving to it in the first place!)
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