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Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by sph »

luckylion wrote: post #347
coldtea wrote: post #335

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> And you just choose who you consider "people" and who you consider "scum". Yes. That's necessary too. Did you rather treat everybody as an undifferentiated fog? Compassion is not about bending over backwards for jerks. > It's like that old joke about Linux being user-friendly, it's just very picky about who it considers a user. Even that is very defensible: you can be user-friendly for different groups with differe…

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Again a reference to the Nazis in this thread.

Being empathetic (take it from someone that believes they're an hyper empath) means understanding that if I were born in the 1910s in Germany and maybe blond and blue eyed, I could have probably been a big Adolf fan, but I was not, so current me believes fascists in general should get punched in the face indiscriminately and with extreme prejudice.

Having black-and-white thinking, of "I would never do that", like you seem to do, is proof itself of lack of empathy.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by goodpoint »

whatwherewhy wrote: post #267
goodpoint wrote: post #166

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> I'm not sure what the solution is here? > Maybe I'm missing something here. Maybe look at how it's done in pretty much every other developed country in the world? Employees have notice periods and extra safety margins around visas. (Of course not in USA)

30 days (the EU standard) are not really that much more than the usual 14 days in the US.

30 days is in no way "the EU standard" and it's not even the minimum. In various countries the minimum can be longer than 30 days.

More importantly, the average de-facto "standard" in many contracts is longer.

Additionally, many companies go beyond the contract requirements.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by sgerenser »

murderfs wrote: post #177
Msurrow wrote: post #150

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The solution is right there in OPs post: “give them three months on the books to find somewhere else that don't count against their visa. It will give them a chance to get settled and go on interviews.” Thats it. HR knows who is working on visa. Inform them of the situation, give them 3 months, take away all their accesses and let them spend the 3 months to look for a new job. Meta makes a bazillion USD pr year. Even…

Isn't this literally what's happening? (Except it's 4 months, not 3?)

Yeah, I’m almost certain the articles I read about the layoffs said that those on a Visa are getting an extra 90 days or so on payroll to find other employment. Maybe I’m mixing it up with Twitter?

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by relaxing »

negamax wrote: post #237
mduggles wrote: post #66

I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…

As someone who immigrated to West. I was initially shocked by people's attitude. At times I was outright told that you are * Filling diversity quota * Cheaper * Economic migrant The worst part about this is that I was working doubly hard, paying insane taxes while paying insane rents. But eventually I realized people saying these things are just looking for their psychological safety. Of course such people are a mino…

> This place has always been forward looking, so far.

You must not wade into the political topics very often.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by theknocker »

mduggles wrote: post #66

I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…

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Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

mk89 wrote: post #333
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #147

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"don't understand. That's unfortunately how it is, sadly enough. Should they have fired another person instead just because of location" I see this as their fuckup, the job for a new hire should exist for at least 6 months, and if that means they cant fire and one and have to eat the loss, thats their problem. Decisions have consequences, except for conpanies it seems.

> Decisions have consequences, except for conpanies it seems. It's a risk you take by leaving your continent and flying to another one without any permanent residence permit. It's really shit, but that's how it is. It's always been the case, it just makes now the news because it's Facebook. As I mentioned above, an ex colleague of mine moved from South America to Europe without even speaking the country's language an…

> It's a risk you take by leaving your continent and flying to another one without any permanent residence permit.

This is a catch 22 - a permanent residence permit is only obtained by living in the country.

> It's really shit, but that's how it is. It's always been the case

You entire argument seems to boil down to 'its okay for our companies to exploit foreigners because it's always been this way'.

You don't actually provide any information or reasoning for why this is right and proper, or even nessesary.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by ramtatatam »

Aeolun wrote: post #273
ramtatatam wrote: post #233

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I don't know that, I don't work for Meta. Would be nice if you can share source to back your claim, if Meta is paying whole package to somebody who only worked for 2 days then that would be entirely different story for that guy.

You can skimp on the extras, but you cannot skimp on the basics. It’s their fault for hiring him after all. Not his fault for coming to the US and trusting them.

I agree, even if he gets the same benefits, he is still left in very bad place.

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Post by notacoward »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #295
antegamisou wrote: post #274

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Even in technical discussions, you can observe arrogance and dismissal by commenters who are unacceptably underqualified in the subjects being discussed. This place has become a joke nowadays.

I just ignore those comments (and perhaps some my own comments are deemed under qualified by some). I prefer that strategy rather than have an environment of "gatekeepers".

"Basic human decency" might be the only gate worth keeping. Without that, harassers and trolls have more effective freedom of speech than their targets, and I for one find that unacceptable. See also: paradox of tolerance.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by Kareem71 »

m000 wrote: post #223
murderfs wrote: post #177

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Isn't this literally what's happening? (Except it's 4 months, not 3?)

The problem is not so much the money, but the damn Visa: The moment you become unemployed, the countdown clock to deportation starts ticking. This is a HUGE stress, and also puts you at a disadvantage against your prospect employers. IMHO, there should be legislation for covering these cases. I.e. when you sponsor a Visa as an employer, it should be mandatory to pay the employee for a minimum of 12-24 months. If you…

From my understanding the way layoffs were handled at meta for most ppl on visas the 60 day count down was not triggered until 2 months into severance

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Post by notacoward »

jamincan wrote: post #247
jimkleiber wrote: post #232

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> I read a comment a few years ago that no-one thinks of themselves as a bad person. To yourself, you are always okay. From my focus on emotions and conflict over the last 10 years, I'd say many people actually think they're bad people (or at least that they might be). I think one of the hardest things is to defend our own good intentions and I've found that as I get better at doing it for myself, I tend to also defe…

I wonder if it's not a bit like the Dunning-Kruger effect. The good people around us struggle thinking that they're bad, while the bad people blithely go around thinking they're good.

That is a really interesting thought. Thank you. Now that you mention it, I'm thinking that having a conscience means getting "false alarms" sometimes. One way some people choose to prevent that is to disable the alarm instead of fixing the actual problem. I'm sure anyone who has worked in tech for any amount of time has seen the literal form of that.
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