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Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Most developed countries have consultation requirements and notice period requirements for layoffs that would have made this either a non-issue or at least significantly less of a problem. The US (EDIT: given this was in Canada, clearly the US isn't as extreme an outlier as I thought, overall point still stands for the US and Canada) is a pretty extreme outlier in how it allows employers to deal with redundancies, be…

But the article talks about Canada, not the US. Why/how is the US relevant here?

I missed that it was Canada (title cut off, and yes I didn't read the article), not least because I didn't expect Canada would be as awful as the US in this respect.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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From the description, I would assume Germany, since that's precisely what happens here. But I can also imagine Germany is not the only state that allows its companies to act like this.

What precisely is happening in Germany? Please provide sources for your claims, otherwise it's hard to take them serious.

>What precisely is happening in Germany?

German industries in low margin businesses (meat, agriculture, harvesting, construction work, hospitality, etc.) are dependent on exploiting low wage migrant labor, mostly form Eastern Europe (why do you think food prices are so low in Germany, and why do you think the country has the most liberal open borders migration policy in Europe?).

The German government and state institutions turn a blind eye to migrant exploitation, because otherwise supermarket prices would explode and some German exports would no longer be competitive on price. For example, when you see super cheap bananas or whatever food in the supermarkets, that have to be grown, harvested and shipped and wages paid along the supply chain, how do you think such low prices are possible? Easy, people and the environment are usually exploited along the way, as supermarket chains know consumers are very price sensitive so the entire industry price-competes themselves downward into oblivion thriving on exploitation. To be clear, this isn't an isolated issue to Germany alone, but applies to many wealthy countries.

>Please provide sources for your claims, otherwise it's hard to take them serious.

As this exploitation has been happening for a while, there are countless stories and articles about this in German media, especially DW and other NGOs. They're so well documented, they're impossible to miss, so I'm a bit surprised by your skepticism, but here you go:

Romanian workers reveal dire conditions at slaughterhouses [1]

A story about seasonal workers, exploitation and vulnerability [2]

Precarious Posted Migration: The Case of Romanian Construction and Meat-Industry Workers in Germany [3]

[1] https://www.dw.com/en/germany-meat-industry-conditions/a-540...

[2] https://www.suedwind.at/fileadmin/user_upload/suedwind/50_Ha...

[3] http://www.ceemr.uw.edu.pl/sites/default/files/Voivozeanu_Pr...

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Imho the real question here is, why is it that Meta keeps hiring right right until they do large layoff rounds? The kind of issue that requires large layoff rounds is not something that just materializes overnight, out of the blue. So why does their management - which should be able to read the writing on the wall, since that's part of their job - not issue a strict hiring freeze (in addition to other measures taken…

It can take 3+ months from offering a contract to a foreigner before they start, depending how quickly visas can be processed, where the person and their family live, and notice periods.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…

I do agree, but I guess I'm not sure what the solution is here? Large layoffs in large orgs are generally done at a team level rather than an individual level. So presumably this individual's entire team no longer exists. So out of respect for them relocating do you then try to reposition them in the company somehow? And what about all the people who didn't relocate but may have recently left stable job for an opport…

> I do agree, but I guess I'm not sure what the solution is here?

The solution is obvious: Stop clinging to this backward butts-in-seats culture that has people move to a new location even if the job they're going to do can easily be done from anywhere in the world.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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I don't understand. That's unfortunately how it is, sadly enough. Should they have fired another person instead just because of location? I believe they should have not given the GO at all to the hiring manager, but hey... these CEOs nowadays like to take full responsibility accountability blabla-ility for their actions :) Some years ago I worked at a company that had to fire 3 people. They picked one of the guys tha…

They probably hired him because no one else suitable was available locally? Companies usually prefer local employees if at all possible.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…

Why call out Elon when this situation was Zuckerberg?

Elon hate is strong on this site

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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If you pay for somebody to relocate to you, you should be legally required to pay for them to relocate back as well. This should have broad political appeal for the obvious reasons.

It should be ideally, but I don't know a country where that is. Relocation between EU countries has no barriers and is relatively common but is expected to be on your own dime. Sure, for skilled professions in demand sometimes you get a relocation bonus to sweeten the deal and soften the financial blow, but there's always the risk that you get laid off during the probation period, which is something you need to take…

> It should be but I don't know a country where that is

Singapore for certain low paid jobs.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…

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Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do agree, but I guess I'm not sure what the solution is here? Large layoffs in large orgs are generally done at a team level rather than an individual level. So presumably this individual's entire team no longer exists. So out of respect for them relocating do you then try to reposition them in the company somehow? And what about all the people who didn't relocate but may have recently left stable job for an opport…

> I do agree, but I guess I'm not sure what the solution is here? The solution is obvious: Stop clinging to this backward butts-in-seats culture that has people move to a new location even if the job they're going to do can easily be done from anywhere in the world.

I mean, that’s simply not true. At a most basic level, if you’re going to collaborate effectively as part of a team for a long period of time then you need to realistically be ± 3 time zones at most.

Re: Meta fires a software engineer two days after he relocated from India to Canada

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I'm horrified by so many of the comments here that seem to lack even the most basic of human decency. Allow me to fill people in for those who have never uprooted your life and moved across the world for a job. It is a massive commitment on the part of the employee, where you sell the majority of your earthly possessions, property, cars, etc. Then you go through an immigration process which even if its handled by FAA…

This very much depends on the person. When I moved abroad when I was 23 I did so with nothing more than the backpack I brought along. If they’d let me go two days later I would have bought a ticket home and returned to my previous job.

If I did the same thing now, I would have to sell my house, somehow ship all my posessions to the other country without inconveniencing my wife and child, etc. I’d have to be damn certain my job wouldn’t disappear a day after I arrive.

In other words, I could _never_ move to the US.

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