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Post by benj111 »

Vespasian wrote: post #86
benj111 wrote: post #56

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Aren't they camped out because Europe's storage is maxed out and the winter so far is mild so it isn't using as much gas?

Yes the heating period ist just now starting as it gets colder. That's crazy late. In addition Germany for example sees a huge reduction of consumer usage even after accounting for outside temperature. People are changing their habits in anticipation of increased gas bills (and also nobody likes being blackmailed by Russia). In April May it will become clear how much was used and what it did cost extra (since most re…

>Yes the heating period ist just now starting as it gets colder

We broke records around the UK yesterday for the warmest November day so still not really starting here.

Were also breaking records for wind generation.

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Post by kmlx »

mmarq wrote: post #134
dogcatter wrote: post #132

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Are you American? I'm British but lived in the USA for several years, and I think there's a cultural difference here. Americans attach precise boundaries to the seasons, whereas in Europe 'Winter' means something more like the part of the year that's normally cold .

In Europa proper, Winter is the period of the year between Dec 22nd and Mar 21st. In the UK, we have 5 months of Winter and 7 of Autumn, that move around the year like Ramadan.

> In the UK, we have 5 months of Winter and 7 of Autumn,

that has not been the case for the past few years. it’s getting hot much earlier.

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Post by dogcatter »

ThalesX wrote: post #122
duckmysick wrote: post #119

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What do you consider a winter?

I consider winter to be a magical time of the year when as a child I used to play in the snow, hear stories about horrible winters from my grand parents, and that as an adult I feel brings some difficulties to my life. When I read something like 'this Winter is warm with minimal gas burned so far', I refer back to the common interpretation of winter which is December -> March in the Northern Hemisphere, because other…

> the common interpretation of winter which is December -> March in the Northern Hemisphere

As I hope you are learning, in very many places in the northern hemisphere, perhaps including most of Europe, that is not what people mean by 'winter'.

Re: An unconfirmed tweet about Freeport LNG is upending gas markets

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Post by twawaaay »

dylan604 wrote: post #43
twawaaay wrote: post #18

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Isn't it true that the price for gas in Europe is very inelastic at the moment (meaning they will pay pretty much any price to get it) and so any shortage of it will cause dramatic price increase? Also, Europe can't easily switch to another source of gas because they have maxed out everything they could. This is basically the reason why OPEC restricts oil production, it is just here the same is happening unintentiona…

>it is just here the same is happening unintentionally by LNG terminal malfunction. with all that is going on in the world, it would be really easy to give into the conspiracy aspect and say intentional malfunction. we've already seen what has been agreed upon as sabotage to underwater pipelines. why not a terminal like this as well? Edit: I'm in no way pushing this as a thing. Just speculating from past experience i…

I think US needs its partners more than ever and doing things like this on purpose is bound at some point to backfire on them spectacularly. I think rational US government would not do something like this on purpose because there just isn't a whole lot to gain but boy, there is a lot to loose.

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Post by luckylion »

rocketbop wrote: post #127
EdwardDiego wrote: post #118

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Language is fluid. And with climate change, traditional seasons aren't nearly as useful in discussion as they used to be. In my area of my country, our autumn used to be the time of big stable highs giving rise to clear days and frosts overnight. Great time of year to go hiking, minimal chance of intense rainfall or snowfall in the high country. Now the weather in autumn resembles that in spring - predominant north w…

> Lastly, from my limited experience of Germany, the most miserable weather tends to come late October - November. For what it's worth, if anything, this is certainly not true. Generally January and February are the coldest months in Germany, and if by miserable you mean dark, grey or snowy, it's also January and February.

I believe they might have meant that it comes in October/November, not that it's gone by December. It stays "miserable" until spring, with January and February being the coldest and snowiest.

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Post by NikolaNovak »

ThalesX wrote: post #116
EdwardDiego wrote: post #114

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Just read "the cold time of year" when you see "winter" and you'll get past this.

I'm not trying to 'get past this', I'm trying to express my disbelief at the fact that: A - Things have gotten to the point where we can't talk about a damn season without personal interpretations of it; B - This has seeped into Hacker News, a forum I thought was for more diligent folks.

I'm normally the pedantic one but I've observed and participated in casual usage of term winter over the last 40 years across 5 countries three languages plus dialects and two continents.

This isn't new :)

Very large number of people in large number of countries will consider e. G. November "winter". It's cold, it's dark, it's snowing - the informal but practical definitions of "winter". It's not a sign of linguistic or social apocalypse. It's just people communicating.

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Post by Y-bar »

mmarq wrote: post #134
dogcatter wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you American? I'm British but lived in the USA for several years, and I think there's a cultural difference here. Americans attach precise boundaries to the seasons, whereas in Europe 'Winter' means something more like the part of the year that's normally cold .

In Europa proper, Winter is the period of the year between Dec 22nd and Mar 21st. In the UK, we have 5 months of Winter and 7 of Autumn, that move around the year like Ramadan.

I'm European since the birth of my grand-grand-grand-parents and until today I had not heard of the "Dec 22nd and Mar 21st" version of winter. I have only ever heard of these two:

- Calendar winter: December first to February last.

- Metorological winter according to our meteorologists: "the period of the year where the daily average temperature is below zero degrees Celsius" [Sweden: https://www.smhi.se/kunskapsbanken/meteorologi/arstider/vint...] and [Norway: https://snl.no/vinter]

Today I learned of a third definition.

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Post by baq »

luckylion wrote: post #145
rocketbop wrote: post #127

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> Lastly, from my limited experience of Germany, the most miserable weather tends to come late October - November. For what it's worth, if anything, this is certainly not true. Generally January and February are the coldest months in Germany, and if by miserable you mean dark, grey or snowy, it's also January and February.

I believe they might have meant that it comes in October/November, not that it's gone by December. It stays "miserable" until spring, with January and February being the coldest and snowiest.

The point is that just freezing cold is not miserable. Autumn weather with days getting very noticeably shorter and it’s cold but not freezing and gray for weeks is quite depressing for many. In contrast, proper winter with snow and days getting longer feels much better even if you need warmer clothes and more heating. This year and next will be a bit different as everyone will be very conscious about gas prices, but purely from weather perspective early December is the worst.

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Post by jvanderbot »

cjohnson318 wrote: post #100
ngcc_hk wrote: post #80

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Are you argue for regulation for … it does not help actually and worsen it.

I think you're trying to use the example of poorly regulated things to show that regulation is bad. I think there's a college word for why that's a bad argument, but I don't know what it is. Anyway, yeah, Prohibition in the U.S. was a bad regulation, but taking lead out of water pipes, gasoline, and paint were good regulations. For any bad regulation you can think of, I can find at least ten good regulations.

Cherry picking data is close enough a term.

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Post by mytailorisrich »

Y-bar wrote: post #147
mmarq wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Europa proper, Winter is the period of the year between Dec 22nd and Mar 21st. In the UK, we have 5 months of Winter and 7 of Autumn, that move around the year like Ramadan.

I'm European since the birth of my grand-grand-grand-parents and until today I had not heard of the "Dec 22nd and Mar 21st" version of winter. I have only ever heard of these two: - Calendar winter: December first to February last. - Metorological winter according to our meteorologists: "the period of the year where the daily average temperature is below zero degrees Celsius" [Sweden: https://www.smhi.se/kunskapsbank…

'Winter' in calendar, solar terms in the Northern hemisphere , also called astronomical winter, starts on 21st December and ends on 20th March (there might be a one day shift now and then?). That is, the period from the winter solstice until the spring equinoxe. This is written on most calendars and that is what Google tells you when you look up 'winter'. I am flabbergasted that you never heard of that...

Now, usually the other definition people use relates to their locate climate for practical purposes.

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