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Laika, the space dog, and her one-way trip into orbit (2018)

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A character you meet early in the game Pathologic 2 is named Lika (Лиза), and wears a dog head. I thought it was just a neat name until my friend who is Russian pointed out the background and reference to Laika. https://pathologic.fandom.com/wiki/Lika

That looks like a mistranslation, Лиза translates into Lisa.

Thank you!

Re: Laika, the space dog, and her one-way trip into orbit (2018)

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Anti-Soviet propaganda is reaching levels that I thought were not possible.

And here we are, a post that defends the Soviet in 2022. Something I thought was impossible, talking as someone who had the (mis)fortune of living under the communists.

Re: Laika, the space dog, and her one-way trip into orbit (2018)

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so messed up.

Seems more humane than factory farming (shruggy emoji).

I don’t really agree. Farming meets a basic human need. The food chain is the food chain, after all. Laika died for purely political purposes, to show how superior the Russian space program was.

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At least Laika server for a noble cause. What I think is terrible is the fact that Soviet Army tied up bombs on dogs and let the run after enemy tanks on the WWII. Humans sometimes acts disgustingly.

That’s a better death than Laika got. Laika got put into a cramped box, subjected to 5Gs, and died of heat stroke. Being bombed to death is at least fast.

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> They expected Laika to die from oxygen deprivation—a painless death > within 15 seconds—after seven days in space. So after seven days, the oxygen level would instantly drop to zero? I would think the Oxygen supply would run out, leaving the dog to slowly suffocate as the O2 supply of the capsule space was consumed.

I would think the CO2 gets too high before oxygen runs out too, but maybe they had CO2 scrubbers? If not, I think the pCO2 would go beyond 40 mmHg and the dog would die of metabolic acidosis instead of hypoxia/anoxia.

Perhaps, but if you had CO2 scrubbers you could easily set it up to last a less excruciating 1 day instead of 7 days of starvation..

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Laika's story is far more heartbreaking. Everyone involved with handling Laika hated to send her to death. From a technician who was the last person to see Laika, > One of the technicians preparing the capsule before final liftoff stated that "after placing Laika in the container and before closing the hatch, we kissed her nose and wished her bon voyage, knowing that she would not survive the flight."[16] One of the…

It’s so sad because they basically had to send a really friendly, docile dog, because a meanie wouldn’t be suitable. Weirdly I see this as one of science’s great failures. Hard to pin down why especially when the average pig is treated far worse.

Re: Laika, the space dog, and her one-way trip into orbit (2018)

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so messed up.

Seems more humane than factory farming (shruggy emoji).

I know contrarianism hot takes are a big part of this site, but a few rebuttals to this sentiment:

1) Farming at least serves a purpose (food for humans).

2) The vast majority of people who eat meat do not support the farming and slaughter of dogs. They're tremendously emotionally intelligent, social creatures.

3) Sacrificing an animal for science may be morally justifiable if it saves human lives, but this was not one of those situations. A quote from one of the scientists assigned to Laika’s program:

> “The more time passes, the more I’m sorry about it. We shouldn’t have done it. We did not learn enough from the mission to justify the death of the dog.”

Re: Laika, the space dog, and her one-way trip into orbit (2018)

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Seems more humane than factory farming (shruggy emoji).

I know contrarianism hot takes are a big part of this site, but a few rebuttals to this sentiment: 1) Farming at least serves a purpose (food for humans). 2) The vast majority of people who eat meat do not support the farming and slaughter of dogs. They're tremendously emotionally intelligent, social creatures. 3) Sacrificing an animal for science may be morally justifiable if it saves human lives, but this was not o…

> 2) The vast majority of people who eat meat do not support the farming and slaughter of dogs. They're tremendously emotionally intelligent, social creatures.

How about farming those pigs?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/animal-emotions/2013...

Re: Laika, the space dog, and her one-way trip into orbit (2018)

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*Liza "3" like letter in Cyrillic alphabet is "z" in Latin. You can hear it when pressing the sound button in here: https://translate.google.com/?sl=auto&tl=en&text=%D0%9B%D0%B... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ze_(Cyrillic)

I know, I speak Russian. That's why I wrote ‶translate″ and used the most common writing of the name in English, rather than ‶transliterate″.

Funny, Lisa with "s" would be "c" Latin in Russian, which begs the question if the above mentioned error in the wiki is not actually a reverse translation error - hence why they say "Lika" in it, maybe they meant to translate "Lisa" from English to Russian and was like "eh, K or C is the same".

Re: Laika, the space dog, and her one-way trip into orbit (2018)

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post #158

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I know contrarianism hot takes are a big part of this site, but a few rebuttals to this sentiment: 1) Farming at least serves a purpose (food for humans). 2) The vast majority of people who eat meat do not support the farming and slaughter of dogs. They're tremendously emotionally intelligent, social creatures. 3) Sacrificing an animal for science may be morally justifiable if it saves human lives, but this was not o…

> 2) The vast majority of people who eat meat do not support the farming and slaughter of dogs. They're tremendously emotionally intelligent, social creatures. How about farming those pigs? https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/animal-emotions/2013...

I didn't say that dogs are both emotional and intelligent, I said they're emotionally intelligent, meaning they can understand the emotions of humans. Pigs and octopuses may be more objectively intelligent than dogs by most measures (problem solving, memory, etc.). But much worse at empathizing with us, so in return, we empathize less with them.
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