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Laika, the space dog, and her one-way trip into orbit (2018)

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Re: Laika, the space dog, and her one-way trip into orbit (2018)

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Post by HeyImAlex »

missedthecue wrote: post #32
belval wrote: post #28

> Soviet physicians chose Laika to die, but they were not entirely heartless. This tone is really harsh, animals dying to push science forward is still common today and acting like they were "heartless" for it is disingenuous. Laika got to be remembered, which his already much more than can be said of most test subjects.

I've got to agree with you here. Every day, animals around the world are given cancer, AIDs, heart attacks, and all manner of diseases in the name of advancing science. As many as 12 million animals are dissected or vivisected in US schools alone annually. Laika was an important stepping stone towards humans in space. It's sad a dog died, but some people are a bit melodramatic.

And we kill 80 billion animals a year for food.

Re: Laika, the space dog, and her one-way trip into orbit (2018)

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Post by muaytimbo »

my_city wrote: post #38
muaytimbo wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things you forgot: - the murder of millions of innocent people - the worst nuclear accident on the planet Russia was bad then and continues today. Nothing needed other than history to make that case.

The mythical "they murdered A GAZILLION PEOPLE". Yeah, totally made up numbers made by anti-soviet historians that inflated numbers and considered natural causes as "murder". You can say what you want about the Soviet Union, but thinking that they ORDERED the killing of millions is complete derangement. Were there economic problems and famines? Yes, of course, all countries with a rural economy are exposed to famines…

Are we really to the place where people are openly denying Stalin and the Bolshevik revolution each killed millions? You should go to 4chan with the other Qs and revel in your conspiracy theories.

Re: Laika, the space dog, and her one-way trip into orbit (2018)

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Post by uwagar »

HeyImAlex wrote: post #61
missedthecue wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've got to agree with you here. Every day, animals around the world are given cancer, AIDs, heart attacks, and all manner of diseases in the name of advancing science. As many as 12 million animals are dissected or vivisected in US schools alone annually. Laika was an important stepping stone towards humans in space. It's sad a dog died, but some people are a bit melodramatic.

And we kill 80 billion animals a year for food.

this is what is called an elephant in the lift.

Re: Laika, the space dog, and her one-way trip into orbit (2018)

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Post by feintruled »

m000 wrote: post #19

If you like happy endings, also check Belka and Strelka [1]. Not only did they safely travel to space and back, Strelka later gave birth to 6 pups, and one of them went on to live in the JFK White House. [1] https://www.amusingplanet.com/2021/12/belka-and-strelka-sovi...

Oh my goodness I knew all about Laika of course but I had never heard of this! And they gave JFK one of their pups! What a wonderful story.

EDIT: Nice YT vid with footage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCBWIi2vQ4k Looks like they took it in their stride!

Re: Laika, the space dog, and her one-way trip into orbit (2018)

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Post by npteljes »

fnfontana wrote: post #39

At least Laika server for a noble cause. What I think is terrible is the fact that Soviet Army tied up bombs on dogs and let the run after enemy tanks on the WWII. Humans sometimes acts disgustingly.

I don't think we even need to go as far as the second World War. Animals get shit treatment all day, every day, everywhere. Even if you look at pets, which are supposed to get the best treatment of them all, even they are often mistreated or outright abused. And then we can into other territories like service animals, meat and fur, and lab animals. There's so much horror going on at any moment that I think if we treat one right, that's the exception, not the other way around.

Re: Laika, the space dog, and her one-way trip into orbit (2018)

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Post by erwincoumans »

nimbius wrote: post #5

Laika is memorialized in the form of a statue and plaque at Star City, the Russian Cosmonaut training facility. https://dynamic-media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-o/08/b... The Monument to the Conquerors of Space in Moscow, constructed in 1964, also includes Laika! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monument_to_the_Conquerors_of_...

Laikago, the quadruped robot from Unitree is also a homage to Laika: http://www.unitree.cc/e/action/ShowInfo.php?classid=6&id=1

Re: Laika, the space dog, and her one-way trip into orbit (2018)

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Post by shakow »

tibbon wrote: post #27

A character you meet early in the game Pathologic 2 is named Lika (Лиза), and wears a dog head. I thought it was just a neat name until my friend who is Russian pointed out the background and reference to Laika. https://pathologic.fandom.com/wiki/Lika

That looks like a mistranslation, Лиза translates into Lisa.

Re: Laika, the space dog, and her one-way trip into orbit (2018)

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Post by cenal »

Jun8 wrote: post #58

This is appalling but at least, as others commented, Laika got to be celebrated. For an example of real heartless exploitation of animals, see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_of_despair . This psycho is still held in high esteem. Not only that, many such experiments continue to be made for research.

I always hate to say we need regulation around something but then someone evil does something evil and the need for regulation emerges again...

Re: Laika, the space dog, and her one-way trip into orbit (2018)

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Post by vogt »

lordgroff wrote: post #46
fnfontana wrote: post #39

At least Laika server for a noble cause. What I think is terrible is the fact that Soviet Army tied up bombs on dogs and let the run after enemy tanks on the WWII. Humans sometimes acts disgustingly.

The German death machine grinds down circa 30 million Soviet people, majority of them civilians, the hot take is being mad the red army for tank dogs. Sometimes the comments here are really special in their lack of context.

Or maybe both of those things are shitty and it isn’t mutually exclusive. Sometimes the binary thinking here is really special.
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