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How Australia became the world’s greatest lithium supplier

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Re: How Australia became the world’s greatest lithium supplier

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This is a surprisingly comprehensive and well-written article, worth reading. For example, the authors note that the majority of Australia's lithium ore is refined to metal in China, although there's a push for local Australian refining. For more details on the current state of lithium battery production globally, this is good: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-31850-y (Jul 2022) "Tracing the origin of lithi…

How does “blockchain” prevent a document from being falsified?

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SAE is using terms differently, abusing, re-defining terms that have been in use for a century. This mixed use of the same word for different things can be extremely dangerous.

Not as dangerous as the free pass LFP batteries have been getting despite trapped energy, thermal runaway and very high heat fires that are extremely hard to control and extinguish. There needs to be far, far more oversight of the battery industry.

Where in that link were LFP batteries mentioned? One of the advantages of LFP over nickel-manganese-cobalt chemistries is lower heat evolution when punctured or ruptured. Do you have other evidence for your claim of very high heat fires from LFP batteries?

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The alternative is gas. 100x more energy dense than lithium and it hasn't been great for the environment to say the least.

Chile is already being ruined. Pay close attention to the lithium triangle as it expands and the state the planet is left in after being mined https://www.euronews.com/green/2022/02/01/south-america-s-li... Why is lithium extraction bad for the environment? Any type of resource extraction is harmful to the planet. This is because removing these raw materials can result in soil degradation, water shortages, biodiversi…

> Chile is already being ruined.

By copper mining. Lithium is unnoticeable in comparison.

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I wish Australia the best of luck in escaping the resource curse, by moving up the value chain. Relative to China. I'd like this post to be more sarcastic than it is, really, I would.

> resource curse The service sector makes up 62% of the Australian economy.

Give it enough time and you can all provide services to the Chinese, in exchange for technology and goods.

I'm sure they need services, and not just raw materials they can turn into products and sell to everyone, rather than Australia in particular. But you'll service them with services.

Australian services, to be clear. Very in-demand trade good. Much like raw lithium, and batteries, that way. Everyone wants Australian services.

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Australia’s service sector makes up ~20% of exports - the resource curse is related to import/export, not internal measures. Total exports 2019-20: 383G$ goods, 92.3G$ services https://www.dfat.gov.au/publications/trade-and-investment/tr...

Wikipedia has an articel on the Resource Curse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_curse It is about having "less economic growth, less democracy, or worse development outcomes than countries with fewer natural resources". Australia is an advanced services based economy. No one would consider them as an example of a country under a "resource curse" By your measure, Japan also has a resource curse because services…

No, Japan makes stuff.

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> Cars used to be made of steel and were very recyclable. More recently they are mostly made of plastics and alloys that are not easily recyclable. 50/50, actually.

There is still some steel in the core load bearing areas of modern vehicle but they are predominantly alloys. I'd say around 60% alloys, 35% plastics and 5% steel would be an average

Let's all just make up numbers when we could find them with 15 seconds' effort.

https://transportgeography.org/contents/chapter4/transportat...

Ferrous metals 65%.

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Lung cancer rates are higher near major roads due to air pollution from cars. Fossil fuel cars basically means every highway is a superfund site. We just don't talk about it. Given the choice between toxic waste at a mine and toxic waste in millions of homes, I'll take the mine.

How much of that pollution is coming out of the tail pipe vs. off of the brake pads and tires?

It’s also important to wonder how much of the pollution is leaked fluids and burnt motor oil.

A while back I saw a video on youtube of someone mining road dust for platinum of all things.

Evs will be a likely improvement for the health of those near roads.

Re: How Australia became the world’s greatest lithium supplier

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Lung cancer rates are higher near major roads due to air pollution from cars. Fossil fuel cars basically means every highway is a superfund site. We just don't talk about it. Given the choice between toxic waste at a mine and toxic waste in millions of homes, I'll take the mine.

How much of that pollution is coming out of the tail pipe vs. off of the brake pads and tires?

Most. PM2.5 is the danger, particulates of 2.5 microns or less. Polycyclic aromatics and oxides of nitrogen.

Tire scrub and brake pads produce larger particles that wash into stormwater drains and poison downstream aquatic life.

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Australia’s service sector makes up ~20% of exports - the resource curse is related to import/export, not internal measures. Total exports 2019-20: 383G$ goods, 92.3G$ services https://www.dfat.gov.au/publications/trade-and-investment/tr...

Wikipedia has an articel on the Resource Curse: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_curse It is about having "less economic growth, less democracy, or worse development outcomes than countries with fewer natural resources". Australia is an advanced services based economy. No one would consider them as an example of a country under a "resource curse" By your measure, Japan also has a resource curse because services…

Here is a more interesting graph https://www.rba.gov.au/education/images/explainers/trends-in... from [1] which shows Australia’s resource exports increasing drastically by percentage over the years, and the percentage for the other export sectors declining (agricultural, services, manufacturing, other). That graph seems to show services have dropped to ~12% of exports which is stunning.

Whether that graph says anything about Australia and the resource curse is graduate level analysis - I don’t have any opinion either way.

I felt your reply was a strawman, or putting words in my mouth? I only pointed out a figure with no implication of analysis, because your figure of internal services was completely irrelevant. Note even countries with the resource curse still internally have cafes, and concerts, and mining support crews.

PS: NZ probably isn’t doing much better. Service exports seem lowish, and half of our service exports is tourism: https://oec.world/en/profile/country/nzl#trade-services

[1] https://www.rba.gov.au/education/resources/explainers/trends...

Re: How Australia became the world’s greatest lithium supplier

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Not as dangerous as the free pass LFP batteries have been getting despite trapped energy, thermal runaway and very high heat fires that are extremely hard to control and extinguish. There needs to be far, far more oversight of the battery industry.

Where in that link were LFP batteries mentioned? One of the advantages of LFP over nickel-manganese-cobalt chemistries is lower heat evolution when punctured or ruptured. Do you have other evidence for your claim of very high heat fires from LFP batteries?

https://www.ntsb.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/NR20210113.as...

https://youtu.be/tuVxwmnhqP4?t=385

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