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But you don't need as much money as your co-worker with multiple kids. This is true.
I have a gambling, hooker and coke problem. Does that mean I get the co-workers bonus next year?
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Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency
#222It's not easy for people promoted into manager roles either. I'm a new manager who the first time is now exposed to salary details of my, now direct reports, former co-workers. For the past couple of weeks I've been walking around thinking "how the hell does he make that much?! When I was at that level of experience I was paid $40k less". It's really affecting me to be honest. I'm seeing people in different light and…
As a fellow manager I am with the other guy who responded, you come across as somewhat immature here.
> Salary matters suck for everyone, I hate dealing with this aspect of my job.
What exactly did you think your responsibility as a manager would be?
I once knew a manager who had people reporting into him who made 10X as much as he did (yes, 10X). I asked him about this once and his response indicates what you expect from an excellent manager "they are taking risks that i don't take and they are compensated for those risks".
You seem fixated on the past and salary issues instead of learning from this experience. Perhaps you can read up on how to negotiate and try to make more yourself? Maybe they were better at salary negotiations and this is why they earn what they do?
Being a manager and "resenting people" isn't a good thing.
Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency
#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
But you don't need as much money as your co-worker with multiple kids. This is true.
I didn't realize companies are charities now. A couple makes a private and typically self-serving decision to have children, therefore we ought to pay them more regardless of performance.
It may be self-serving, but without those kids how does civilization keep happening? See comment above.
Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency
#224Earlier quoted context omitted.
But you don't need as much money as your co-worker with multiple kids. This is true.
I have a gambling, hooker and coke problem. Does that mean I get the co-workers bonus next year?
It does not, nor did I suggest it would. However, I would say that you deserve treatment options for those addictions.
Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency
#225It's not easy for people promoted into manager roles either. I'm a new manager who the first time is now exposed to salary details of my, now direct reports, former co-workers. For the past couple of weeks I've been walking around thinking "how the hell does he make that much?! When I was at that level of experience I was paid $40k less". It's really affecting me to be honest. I'm seeing people in different light and…
> Everybody just wants wants wants and act like children when they don't get. Wow, what an immature attitude YOU have. Of course everyone "wants wants wants". You're displaying that attitude right now. You're feeling hurt about not getting more, because you want more. That's normal. That's OK. If someone offered to bump my salary to a million pounds for no reason, of course I'd take it. You should probably try asking…
> If your contribution to the company is deemed to be worth the money, you'll get it.
I've rarely seen individual contributions able to be evaluated 'fairly' at any scale. Your skills may be top notch, but you were focused on a project that was killed after 10 months because.... budget cuts? Bad management? Your contribution to the company in that case can be seen as a net negative, but it's largely out of your control.
The OP should just leave and find a better gig. That might be slightly harder over the next year, and yeah, it sucks to do that, but it's how you get big raises. The people coming in at 140k are demonstrating that (in the above example).
Trying too much 'negotiate for a raise' tips your hand that you're unhappy, and you will be treated differently if you make anything more than a casual ask (even then...).
Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency
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Some of us think that doing our job should be enough to be fairly compensated without having to take on the additional duty of continually fighting for it. But since that isn't how things work in glorious capitalist utopia, I just slack off hard core instead. I don't need the money near as much as I need my time back.
Just wait till you see the comp in the glorious socialist utopia, you're gonna love that I bet.
I think that a lot of people would be happy with America moving to the mix of social programs, taxation, and salary that Sweden or Norway have.
Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency
#227Earlier quoted context omitted.
But you don't need as much money as your co-worker with multiple kids. This is true.
Paying people based on need rather than performance incentivises people to "need" more and stop focusing on performance. Paying on performance and taxing high earners seems like a better system than paying directly based on need.
You need to pay people to meet their basic needs. I know that some don't think this way but it happens one way or another. If people can't get their basic needs met, they will eventually break.
Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency
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> You may not know if a single person is supporting a relative or a grandma with cancer. In my role I know that and would also support that case as special. This kind of thinking varies depending of where you live (at lease for most people and less for remote workers). My takeaway is: if you live in a country/state where this help is "embedded" within the system we can focus more in salary equivalence for the same jo…
> In my role I know that How would you? Are you running an intelligence agency and it's part of your job as a boss to constantly monitor your employees? I don't see how the location matters, really. A single person might need more money because they want to save up to start a family. Now you factor that in, and you pay them more, but they never find the right partner and don't start a family. Are you now going to ask…
> How would you? Are you running an intelligence agency and it's part of your job as a boss to constantly monitor your employees?
No, I live in a culture where this matters arise. There are many discussions in this thread based on culture experience. I see for example privacy discussions, in some cultures/countries privacy is a must but at the same time contradictory with the private information that is flowing unregulated in multiple organizations.
Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency
#229It's not easy for people promoted into manager roles either. I'm a new manager who the first time is now exposed to salary details of my, now direct reports, former co-workers. For the past couple of weeks I've been walking around thinking "how the hell does he make that much?! When I was at that level of experience I was paid $40k less". It's really affecting me to be honest. I'm seeing people in different light and…
> Salary matters suck for everyone, I hate dealing with this aspect of my job. Everybody just wants wants wants and act like children when they don't get.
Does everybody do this or is it just you? People are paid market rate if another business thinks you are worth more they will offer you more. You then go to your boss and ask them to meet or exceed the market rate for you.
If you sell yourself as just another developer don't be surprised if your boss puts that expectation on your salery.
Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency
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Did you ever ask for a raise or more money? If so did they ever say no? In my experience many who complain about salary often failed to ever try and negotiate on behalf of themselves.
I don’t negotiate. I’ve found it’s usually a waste of time and I’m still negotiating around the margins. It has been much easier to just get another job.
I also resent on principle that the primary driver of one's salary must be something that's at best tangentially related to the job: Negotiating skills. Let's say someone taught himself programming, went to university for computer engineering, got decades of experience in the trenches. A programmer geek through and through. And then someone fresh out of school starts at double that guy's comp because... ... New guy is a slick negotiator? And we're all supposed to just accept that's how the world works? "Just negotiate harder, bro?"
My experience with salary negotiations is probably similar to yours. It's pointless. The company has all the power, and if you give an ultimatum, they say "there's the door" anyway, so why bother? Just skip it all and go out the door from the start. Grind some Leetcode, go through the interview hazing ritual again, and job hop. It sucks, but I guess it is the way it is.