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Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency

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4% is already almost nothing, but there is always a drastic difference between poll results and real-life response.

A lot of those 4% would be a lot less vehement when it comes the time to actually quit and go on 0 income.

The article still has value, but the 4% figure is honestly negligible and it is absolutely not the main take away.

Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency

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also owned own home https://i.redd.it/vj4m7grzdyr41.png

In my country (slovenia, former yugoslavia) owning homes destroyed the housing market in the long run... The government owned a huge percentage of homes and rented them out to people who needed them, and moved them around too (if they got a kid, they got a larger apartment). Then after the breakup, the government didn't want to deal with that, and sold all those apartments to renters living there for peanuts.. so 'ev…

boomers is a largely american concept. i doubt eastern european people of same generation can be called boomers: having lived in a completely different system.

anyway you seem to say that owning houses resulted in a problem of not owning houses? seems to me a more simple explanation would be that slovenia became a capitalist society, and for-profit housing doesnt quite accomodate as many people as the socialist one. this is a problem that is faced in every capitalist country atm

and you seem to be misrepresenting what happened in former yugoslavia. basically it was not the government that gave you housing, but the state-owned corporation you worked for. and it wasnt for-rent, but to pay off as you work. which is WHY so many people were able to buy it for peanuts when the system collapsed. also to say it was the government is to grossly overestimate the centrality of the socialist yugoslav government. they simply were not that powerful

Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency

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It's not easy for people promoted into manager roles either. I'm a new manager who the first time is now exposed to salary details of my, now direct reports, former co-workers. For the past couple of weeks I've been walking around thinking "how the hell does he make that much?! When I was at that level of experience I was paid $40k less". It's really affecting me to be honest. I'm seeing people in different light and…

It seems you didn’t negotiate hard enough on your behalf (or others negotiated at the right time).

The question you should ask yourself as a manager now is not the question whether you expect others to negotiate like you did, but how can you reach a pay level across the team that is somewhat balanced .

The company I am working in has fairly strict guidance based on competences and experience which I do like. It makes sure that no one is payed much below or much above an estimated market rate. You won’t receive sometime into your team who is extremely overpayed because they were their manager‘s darling.

Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency

#114

I once had employer tell me that because I was single with no kids I did not "need" as much income as a co-worker with multiple kids... I noped out of that employment quickly

Employer provided health insurance is sort of like this when the company covers the plan instead of providing a stipend. Old people cost the company more.

Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency

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250,000 people (includes student employees) at the university of California can just go online and look up their co-worker’s salary, for the past 10 years! Yet, it doesn’t cause problems. In fact, salaries are public for all government workers in California (UC just makes it very easy to look someone up). The entire country of Finland posts all salaries of the entire population online! The angst over these laws is, I…

The definition of free market is that information is avaliable. I dont understand how people that declare they believe in free market, want information to be hidden and the market to be less free. Additionally most of them are employees. It should be obvious that freely knowing salaries will improve the employee's ability to negotiate the wage they deserve.

>The definition of free market is that information is avaliable.

[citation needed]

Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency

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I once had employer tell me that because I was single with no kids I did not "need" as much income as a co-worker with multiple kids... I noped out of that employment quickly

I once had a boss tell a coworker "It's better to be lower in the pay band for your role because your raises are bigger".

Can you imagine how stupid that comment is?

Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency

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What’s even more strange is people trust the military to be loyal, but the amount of cheating relative to the general population in my opinion literally creates a culture that values cheats. To be fair, not aware of any military that’s managed to avoid the pattern and would honestly be curious to know of how any have avoided it.

I've only known a single officer, but she said it was a lot less prevalent amongst officers than enlisted, still happens (she was in fact having an extramarital affair at the time - I found out later), but it is probably closer to the real world average. Maybe there is less need to marry before you are ready as an officer.

My experience is that it goes all the way to the top ranks, including generals.

Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency

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As a manager I get visibility on my direct reports’ salaries and they all earn more than I do :) and I haven’t quit in over a decade. My salary is sufficient for me, why would the fact that a coworker earns more motivate me to rage-quit.

if i found out i made less than my manager i’d rage quit.

Re: Survey of workers’ views on salary transparency

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I had this discussion as a boss and in favor of offering extra benefits with someone with kids with the same role and experience of someone without them. Interesting to discuss it further here in HN. I argue that at the same professional level it is not the same to have a full family that being solo.

You may not know if a single person is supporting a relative or a grandma with cancer. Nor should you. It’s a flawed argument and pay should be for performance. This doesn’t meant that there shouldn’t be accommodations to everyone’s needs. But those are not tied to pay.

> You may not know if a single person is supporting a relative or a grandma with cancer.

In my role I know that and would also support that case as special.

This kind of thinking varies depending of where you live (at lease for most people and less for remote workers). My takeaway is: if you live in a country/state where this help is "embedded" within the system we can focus more in salary equivalence for the same job responsabilities but if you live in a place that put this pressure on the organization side the organization could have the awareness to take care of these issues. In HN we have people from all around the world and with different democratic and non-democratic systems.

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