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As last module docks, China completes its space station

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Re: As last module docks, China completes its space station

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And if I say I cleaved the halves together, you’d have no chance of thinking that I meant I cut them apart. It’s English, you need context to tell what definition is being used for any word with multiple definitions

> I cleaved the halves together I would say what are you talking about? That makes no grammatical sense.

It does? One definition of cleave is to join or adhere things together. It’s not a new slang definition, you can look it up in any dictionary.

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WW2 was a war of expanding genocidal empires , including USA. I'm not sure what basis in reality this "nationalism is evil" trope comes from. It happens to villianize non-interventionist nations like Cuba while excusing the enormous crimes of transnational neoliberalism.

Today’s Russia? Today’s China?

There is actually little to no evidence that either of those are operating with imperial ambitions over national security interests

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Just one of many examples: The WIV BSL-4 lab in Wuhan was built as a French-Chinese cooperation (modeled after a similar lab in Lyon, France) with the explicit goal to do joint experiments. But once it was built, the French were kicked out.

Sources?

Many, e. g. https://www.mediapart.fr/en/journal/france/310520/strange-sa...

FRANCE INVESTIGATION The strange saga of how France helped build Wuhan's top-security virus lab MAY 31, 2020 BY KARL LASKE AND JACQUES MASSEY The maximum-level biosafety laboratory at the Wuhan Institute of Virology was the first of its kind to be built in China, and has been the centre of huge speculation since the start of the Covid-19 pandemic which originated in that city. The laboratory, which is equipped to handle Class 4 pathogens (P4) including dangerous viruses such as Ebola, was built with the help of French experts and under the guidance of French billionaire businessman Alain Mérieux, despite strong objections by health and defence officials in Paris. Since the laboratory's inauguration by prime minister Bernard Cazeneuve in 2017, however, France has had no supervisory role in the running of the facility and planned cooperation between French researchers and the laboratory has come to a grinding halt.

Re: As last module docks, China completes its space station

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Just one of many examples: The WIV BSL-4 lab in Wuhan was built as a French-Chinese cooperation (modeled after a similar lab in Lyon, France) with the explicit goal to do joint experiments. But once it was built, the French were kicked out.

And the French getting kicked out is only the second worst consequence of that project! Though for what it’s worth, I think there was Western collaboration with WIV as well.

The first-worst has thankfully not happened yet - China was lobbying that now they had a BSL-4 Lab, they should also have a sample of Smallpox. The consequences of that would have been disastrous.

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And the French getting kicked out is only the second worst consequence of that project! Though for what it’s worth, I think there was Western collaboration with WIV as well.

The first-worst has thankfully not happened yet - China was lobbying that now they had a BSL-4 Lab, they should also have a sample of Smallpox. The consequences of that would have been disastrous.

At this point I would favor even the CDC destroying theirs.

Re: As last module docks, China completes its space station

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post #391

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> I cleaved the halves together I would say what are you talking about? That makes no grammatical sense.

It does? One definition of cleave is to join or adhere things together. It’s not a new slang definition, you can look it up in any dictionary.

I did look it up in a dictionary.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cleave#Etymology_2

> (intransitive, rare) Followed by' to or unto: to adhere, cling, or stick fast to something.

Something can cleave to another thing, but you can't cleave two things together. It's grammatically the same as the word "cling". You can cling to something but you can't cling two things together. It doesn't make sense.

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Sources?

Many, e. g. https://www.mediapart.fr/en/journal/france/310520/strange-sa... FRANCE INVESTIGATION The strange saga of how France helped build Wuhan's top-security virus lab MAY 31, 2020 BY KARL LASKE AND JACQUES MASSEY The maximum-level biosafety laboratory at the Wuhan Institute of Virology was the first of its kind to be built in China, and has been the centre of huge speculation since the start of the Covid-19 pand…

> French experts and researchers have no say in the running of the top-level biosafety laboratory at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China despite the fact that France helped build the facility and that Paris and Beijing signed an agreement on future cooperation and collaboration, a Mediapart investigation can reveal.

> have no say in the running of the top-level biosafety laboratory > Beijing signed an agreement on future cooperation and collaboration

These are far from what was claimed by the OP

Re: As last module docks, China completes its space station

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> I frequently see statements from naive Americans that all that the Chinese do is based on copying, but unfortunately for USA, that was true only in the past and it is no longer true today. Just because you don't follow them doesn't mean they don't exist. Plenty of ongoing IP theft cases show this is not true. This case closed a few years back that pretty much wiped out a Billion+ dollar US company: https://www.just…

Wind turbines! This example is immensely funny to me, since in the 90s the NSA stole trade secrets related to wind turbines from the German company Enercon and passed it on to the US company Kenetech, who then managed to get a patent in the US. English sources are a bit scarce, but here's an article that references it: > Some months later, a former NSA agent admitted that the organisation had secretly intercepted Ene…

So the Chinese even stole the method of stealing, from USA!

They are indeed IP theft in their genetics!

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what is stopping those naive americans from going to china, buying those "stolen and improved but not shared with us legally" products and sell them on their own back home? its not like chinese businesses would sue them or anything so whats the big deal as you say? they copy you, you copy their advances back and you are back in parity.

Not everyone wants to break the laws. Even of another country. In China the repercussions for what you described may go way beyond the legal framework, you may be labeled a spy or something like that. This hasn’t applied to doing that in US / Western countries

> go way beyond the legal framework, you may be labeled a spy or something like that

I mean, a few hundreds years ago, the US continent was populated by Savages. They got educated and civilized now.

So give China another 1 hundred years. They'll be as civilized as US today. They probably would routinely threaten nukes for countries not practicing the "wholistic democracy" [1]; they'll also cut supply of key components from global supply chain when India is approaching their supremacy; and sanction Vietnam because they dont act like dogies...

[1] https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202208/1272926.shtml

Re: As last module docks, China completes its space station

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> Once parity is reached, China cuts collaboration agreements and keeps further advancements within China Any such actual event happening? I have heard this stated repeatedly, but my Google search reveals no actual reporting, other than the ones where the foreign party voluntarily exited or being forced aware from their own political pressure (that is not from Chinese side).

Asked and answered. WIV was one.

Not satisfactory though
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