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Rage Against The Machine’s explosive debut album changed everything

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Re: Rage Against The Machine’s explosive debut album changed everything

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Have you ever seen the music video for Testify? The gist is that Bush and Gore were identical candidates with essentially the same positions and it ends with a tacit endorsement of Nader. In hindsight Bush and Gore were not the same and the candidacy of Nader was harmful. Their politics would have been more effective had they urged young people to rage within the system, but the rebellious message is clearly more app…

> Bush and Gore were not the same It's funny how, after those people come to power, you don't see any difference. At least from abroad.

Gore wouldn’t have invaded Iraq and would have made a much bigger push towards reducing carbon emissions.

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> artists uniting or representing a movement in the USA esp 60s. They sold music to the huge boomer population when they were young, by the 1980s those same Boomers voted for Reagan in considerable numbers and were buying Debbie Gibson and Rod Stewart albums. RATM sold music to pissed off GenXers when they were young, by 2020 they were voting for Biden. It’s not revolution, it’s youthful angst that gives way to respo…

I really don't think gen-xers voting for Biden is in any way analysis to boomers voting for Reagan. I think this is the dominant sentiment on Biden: https://youtu.be/KGmXGkIr7w0 He's a stop gap against fascism.

> He's a stop gap against fascism

The point is that those pissed off teenage GenXers would be horrified to vote for any Dem candidate for the last 20 years. All of them were/are part of “the machine” but time has had its opportunity to form basically all of them into conventional adults.

Re: Rage Against The Machine’s explosive debut album changed everything

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I've been a huge fan of RATM since the early 90s, but I don't think that "A brand new band mixing metal and hip hop like no one had done before" is quite true. My understanding is that the music scene in LA had a lot of bands like this. I believe the band Downset pre-dates them, and they had a big hit called "Anger". I only wish they had a bigger impact in politics. For all of their incredible songs, almost nothing c…

> I only wish they had a bigger impact in politics. Gushing cliches like '_____ has changed everything' often unintentionally dissipate the very energy that seeks to bring about change by reducing everything to bathos. When the language of drama is applied to soap opera plots it's ceased to have any utility. Gil Scott Heron rapped about this in his famous record 'The Revolution Will Not Be Televised', which of course…

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Re: Rage Against The Machine’s explosive debut album changed everything

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When Trump was elected there were some protests for a few days near a local college. I went to check them out and noticed the students struggling to find political music to play over loudspeakers. They had nothing in their playlists for it. RATM got played over and over because that's all they could find. Songs from 28 years earlier.

A similar experience happened near the same area after George Floyd. They couldn't find any hip hop or trap that had current political themes. So, they played NWA F** da Police over and over. A song from 32 years earlier.

I sincerely believed both of those events would spawn a new generation of protest/political music. Didn't happen. Or, if it did I can't find it. I look sometimes in Reddit forums.

Re: Rage Against The Machine’s explosive debut album changed everything

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I've been a huge fan of RATM since the early 90s, but I don't think that "A brand new band mixing metal and hip hop like no one had done before" is quite true. My understanding is that the music scene in LA had a lot of bands like this. I believe the band Downset pre-dates them, and they had a big hit called "Anger". I only wish they had a bigger impact in politics. For all of their incredible songs, almost nothing c…

Have you ever seen the music video for Testify? The gist is that Bush and Gore were identical candidates with essentially the same positions and it ends with a tacit endorsement of Nader. In hindsight Bush and Gore were not the same and the candidacy of Nader was harmful. Their politics would have been more effective had they urged young people to rage within the system, but the rebellious message is clearly more app…

Harmful how? Are we still blaming people who voted for Nader for the fact that Bush won?

Re: Rage Against The Machine’s explosive debut album changed everything

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Don’t get many opportunities in 2022 to tell the global Internet reading HN to go listen to Burning Fight and No Spiritual Surrender! What was your band?

We were called One Step Ahead.

Very awesome!!

Re: Rage Against The Machine’s explosive debut album changed everything

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I’m sorry about the people you knew, truly. But I disagree with the argument you gave afterwards about “anyone who cares about other humans get vaccinated” because the vaccine does barely anything to stop the spread. Even Pfizer themselves admitted they never even tested that statement before they rolled out the jabs. https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/pfizer...

This claim is misleading at best, and this is the part where no matter how smart you actually are or think you are, you should have just left this to the doctors instead of consulting inflammatory media sources that just want your ad eyeballs:

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/10/scicheck-its-not-news-nor-...

> “Our landmark phase 3 clinical trial (protocol published November 2020) was designed and powered to evaluate efficacy of BNT165b2 to prevent disease caused by SARS-CoV2, including severe disease. Stopping transmission was not a study endpoint,” Pfizer’s global media relations senior director, Andrew Widger, told us in an email, referring to the company’s vaccine.

> That’s not uncommon. In a commentary published in Science in March, Natalie E. Dean, assistant professor in the Department of Biostatistics & Bioinformatics at the Emory University Rollins School of Public Health, and M. Elizabeth Halloran, head of the Biostatistics, Bioinformatics and Epidemiology Program at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center’s Vaccine and Infectious Disease Division, wrote that estimating indirect effects of a vaccine, such as reduction in infectiousness, “is typically done after a vaccine is licensed, in either observational studies or cluster randomized trials.”

> The primary benefit of an effective vaccine is to prevent symptomatic disease, Dean told us in an email, and “given the urgent need to prevent COVID-19 illness, the trials focused on these primary goals,” she said. A secondary benefit of an effective vaccine is to reduce transmission, she added, either by protecting against infection or by making infected people less contagious. “But assessing protection against infection requires specialized tests (antibody tests or more frequent sampling) and, to measure contagiousness, measuring viral load and, preferably, studying family members or other contacts,” she said."

...In short, it doesn't matter whether it reduced transmission; it reduced deaths (by likely 19.8 million, reputable source: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3...) and that's all you need to know, end of story, sit the fuck down and stop repeating bullshit when you're not a doctor or work in the medical field.

Re: Rage Against The Machine’s explosive debut album changed everything

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I've been a huge fan of RATM since the early 90s, but I don't think that "A brand new band mixing metal and hip hop like no one had done before" is quite true. My understanding is that the music scene in LA had a lot of bands like this. I believe the band Downset pre-dates them, and they had a big hit called "Anger". I only wish they had a bigger impact in politics. For all of their incredible songs, almost nothing c…

Downset was heavily influenced by Zach’s old band Inside Out. I was in an old hardcore band from that era and know Ray and played with shows with Inside Out. Updated for autocorrected error.

Inside Out were so good. So cool you got to play with them.

Re: Rage Against The Machine’s explosive debut album changed everything

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I've been a huge fan of RATM since the early 90s, but I don't think that "A brand new band mixing metal and hip hop like no one had done before" is quite true. My understanding is that the music scene in LA had a lot of bands like this. I believe the band Downset pre-dates them, and they had a big hit called "Anger". I only wish they had a bigger impact in politics. For all of their incredible songs, almost nothing c…

Have you ever seen the music video for Testify? The gist is that Bush and Gore were identical candidates with essentially the same positions and it ends with a tacit endorsement of Nader. In hindsight Bush and Gore were not the same and the candidacy of Nader was harmful. Their politics would have been more effective had they urged young people to rage within the system, but the rebellious message is clearly more app…

I remember when Bush vs Kerry, they did a comparison between their policies and there was about a 3% difference between them.

The Democrats and the Republicans force a false dichotomy. In reality they are the same side of the coin, and we are all on the other side.

Yes, Bush had a military hard-on for Iraq that killed a million and ruined the Middle East. Fuck that war criminal. Yes, Gore probably wouldn't have invaded Iraq, but then again Trump wouldn't have fought the proxy war against Russia right now. Obama authorized the incursions in Honduras that have caused the humanitarian crisis at our borders these days. All US presidents love feeding the military industrial complex.

Re: Rage Against The Machine’s explosive debut album changed everything

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post #155

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I’m sorry about the people you knew, truly. But I disagree with the argument you gave afterwards about “anyone who cares about other humans get vaccinated” because the vaccine does barely anything to stop the spread. Even Pfizer themselves admitted they never even tested that statement before they rolled out the jabs. https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/pfizer...

> because the vaccine does barely anything to stop the spread We don't know that. They never released any statistics from North Korea and even if they do, it'd be quite questionable.

you too, with the sarcasm? JFC, at least read my reply to the other guy:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33482926

Preventing transmission was never the point. Reducing deaths (to the tune of 19.8 million lives saved globally, Lancet link in my comment there), was. The "never tested for preventing transmission" argument is thus a red herring. Congratulations on caving in to inflammatory media distortion, I'm sure their ads appreciated your eyeballs.

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