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Rage Against The Machine’s explosive debut album changed everything

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Re: Rage Against The Machine’s explosive debut album changed everything

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Yeah they turned into “I will do what you tell me” sort of thing. They became the machine. Sad.

"f u, you'll do what I tell you"

It was surreal watching them tell people to obey the government.

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I've been a huge fan of RATM since the early 90s, but I don't think that "A brand new band mixing metal and hip hop like no one had done before" is quite true. My understanding is that the music scene in LA had a lot of bands like this. I believe the band Downset pre-dates them, and they had a big hit called "Anger". I only wish they had a bigger impact in politics. For all of their incredible songs, almost nothing c…

How prophetic is this Trump sign in the Sleep Now in the Fire music video from 1999[1]. I had tickets to the ill-fated Beasties/RATM tour, so bummed that never happened. They've had an impact though, their music is immortal. 1. https://youtu.be/kl4wkIPiTcY?t=64

ha, wow. I was there then and completely forgot that he even bothered running then

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Rage Against The Machine... the group that said "f*** you I won't do what they tell you", but then played shows that required you to show a government mandated vaccine passport to go to their shows. Hard to take them seriously afterwards.

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Re: Rage Against The Machine’s explosive debut album changed everything

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I've been a huge fan of RATM since the early 90s, but I don't think that "A brand new band mixing metal and hip hop like no one had done before" is quite true. My understanding is that the music scene in LA had a lot of bands like this. I believe the band Downset pre-dates them, and they had a big hit called "Anger". I only wish they had a bigger impact in politics. For all of their incredible songs, almost nothing c…

If you’re interested in Tom Morello’s version of how it all started for him, I recommend this nearly 2 hr show hosted by Tom. He tells stories of his upbringing and beliefs and plays a couple of songs for a live audience.

https://www.audible.com/pd?asin=B08DVCMY4Y&source_code=ASSOR...

Re: Rage Against The Machine’s explosive debut album changed everything

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For those who love Rage Against the Machine and can't seem to find modern revolution music, give Idles a try. It's a bit more on the punk side but equally angry and inspired. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idles

Idles is like Radiohead but if they all grew up in the gutter (in a good way)

Re: Rage Against The Machine’s explosive debut album changed everything

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Caught them live a couple months ago at Madison Square Garden. I couldn't believe how good they sounded or how energetic they were. Zach had to sit down throughout the whole performance due to an injury, but it didn't bring down the intensity at all. And you'd have absolutely no idea Tom Morello was 58 years old. I found myself wondering how much better their shows could have been 30 years ago -- it didn't seem like…

I saw them in 1999 at Nassau Coliseum. Still to this day one of the best and most energetic shows I’ve ever been to.

This about sun up the evening: “groups of teenage boys took their own kind of mass action, rushing the barriers between the bleacher seats and the coliseum floor to overwhelm the outnumbered security guards. Half a dozen mosh pits held colliding bodies riding surges of adrenaline and testosterone during the set.”

https://www.nytimes.com/1999/12/07/arts/rock-review-rock-reb...

Re: Rage Against The Machine’s explosive debut album changed everything

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We've made lots of progress on problems like hunger. Despite there being far more people now than 30 years ago, a smaller number have less food than they need (not a smaller percentage, fewer people). To cast that as decline or things going in the wrong direction is bizarre. And we have probably made net progress on people being closer. Bigotry has likely declined (even if there are still many noisy bigots out there)…

Bigotry declined? I don’t think so at all - not sure where you are living. From the post about the Indians and their cast system the other day on HN, to the lack of opportunity for those who illegally crossed borders and left their families to come ti the US who experience hatred and racism each day - telling me about it all the time. To us for some reason reporting in the news how important it is to not hate on gays…

Pretty sure things are better now than they were in 2000.

Like you talk about a bunch of things that are in the news that weren't in the news in 2000 because bigotry kept them from even being an issue to discuss. That they are now openly an issue of contention is progress!

Re: Rage Against The Machine’s explosive debut album changed everything

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've made lots of progress on problems like hunger. Despite there being far more people now than 30 years ago, a smaller number have less food than they need (not a smaller percentage, fewer people). To cast that as decline or things going in the wrong direction is bizarre. And we have probably made net progress on people being closer. Bigotry has likely declined (even if there are still many noisy bigots out there)…

This isn't a very good rebuttal. Most of the metrics mentioned are essentially unknowable or even subjective. The overall point was that there are a lot of problems but we are not fundamentally changing the structure of society to address them.

I guess bigotry is subjective (for one thing you can always disagree whether a particular attitude is bigoted).

Hunger measures tend to not be particularly subjective, and progress reducing them is good whether it is structural or not.

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