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Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by jfk13 »

rajeshp1986 wrote: post #77
baidifnaoxi wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly it. Terminated technically means, no longer receiving compensation or benefits. If Musk is basically saying “stop working” and we will pay you for the next 60 days (and even beyond), then this is completely legal as long as they are not restricted from seeking other employment during this “notice period” Edit: IANAL

From what I hear from my personal connections at Twitter. They will be given 60 days pay so he is circumventing that California law.

According to the email reported by the BBC[1] they'll be paid until Feb 2nd, so that's more like 90 days. Other severance details not yet known, but as I understand it what's happening today is that they're being given notice, but their formal "employment" doesn't end until the notice period is over.

[1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/business-63511430

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by jacksnipe »

rco8786 wrote: post #139
nathanvanfleet wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's almost as if Elon is being sued to ensure that he follows through with his obligations, since he's so consistently doesn't. Strange. It's like there is a purpose to the lawsuit.

You can’t sue someone in advance of wrongdoing

They were supposed to get paid on Tuesday.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by jeffbee »

rco8786 wrote: post #139
nathanvanfleet wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's almost as if Elon is being sued to ensure that he follows through with his obligations, since he's so consistently doesn't. Strange. It's like there is a purpose to the lawsuit.

You can’t sue someone in advance of wrongdoing

No post body was provided.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by hcurtiss »

nathanvanfleet wrote: post #32
baidifnaoxi wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly it. Terminated technically means, no longer receiving compensation or benefits. If Musk is basically saying “stop working” and we will pay you for the next 60 days (and even beyond), then this is completely legal as long as they are not restricted from seeking other employment during this “notice period” Edit: IANAL

It's almost as if Elon is being sued to ensure that he follows through with his obligations, since he's so consistently doesn't. Strange. It's like there is a purpose to the lawsuit.

That's a textbook sanctionable offense. Lawyers don't get to bring prophylactic frivolous claims.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by blitzar »

shrikant wrote: post #89
trap_goes_hot wrote: post #60

Knowing the possible shitstorm it would cause, Twitter upper management sold the company anyway. Not that they care, they got fabulously wealthy off the deal.

Shareholders were being offered a very nice premium on the stock price, so Twitter upper management would have been awash in shareholder lawsuits if they'd rejected the deal. Essentially, the Twitter board was snookered once Musk made a serious offer.

Essentially, the Twitter board was snookered once Musk made a serious offer and the market tanked making the premium >100%.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by postalrat »

kenjackson wrote: post #79
emedchill wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to a leak to Business Insider[0], they are still "employed" but are not allowed to work. [0] https://www.businessinsider.com/read-blunt-email-telling-twi...

If that's the case, I bet the Twitter employees who still have a job, wish they got laid off. 60 days of pay is better than just resigning, which is what I'm sure I would do.

Whats stopping you from resigning right now?

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by supercanuck »

rco8786 wrote: post #139
nathanvanfleet wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's almost as if Elon is being sued to ensure that he follows through with his obligations, since he's so consistently doesn't. Strange. It's like there is a purpose to the lawsuit.

You can’t sue someone in advance of wrongdoing

Obviously you can.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by czbond »

maeln wrote: post #86
cronix wrote: post #2

> Additional plaintiffs, Justine De Caires, Jessica Pan, and Grae Kindel said they were terminated on November 3 by being locked out of their accounts. > Under Twitter’s takeover deal terms, Musk had agreed to keep employee compensation and benefits the same. That means the laid-off employees should receive 60 days of salary and the cash value of the stock they were to receive within three months of their last date a…

It is an interesting case. In France, the case was already judged and having your means of work (example: access to your professional email) cut off before the end of your contract (which include the required advance notice) is considered unlawful firing. The same goes if you are put in the "placard doré", meaning you are not given any work to do. Of course, the laws in France favor the worker a lot more than the U.S…

In the U.S. for security purposes - you definitely cut off email access before actual termination. Employee actions are unpredictable, and poses a legal & liability risk to the company.

Not a lawyer, but employees are only required email access for all if company policy say they must. Usually the policies say access can be removed at any time for any purpose the company management desires, because they are, after all, the managements systems to operate and provide.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by Nifty3929 »

bedast wrote: post #65

Musk is openly antagonistic to any kind of regulation and regulatory bodies. This is all a game to him. Any fines he faces are the price of having fun, to him. It's why whether Twitter succeeds or fails is a moot point. He doesn't actually care about Twitter. It's a toy. It's an RC plane he's flying around, right now, and it's just a matter of time before he intentionally aims it into the ground to see how big of an…

He has not done this with his other large businesses. He has in fact done the opposite, raising them from nothing to hugely successful companies that are also great for humanity. I'm no fanboy - I just call them like I see them.

You'll probably mention a few side-projects of his that haven't done much - but he hasn't flown them into the ground either. They're just interesting experiments.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by Firmwarrior »

ceejayoz wrote: post #80
spoils19 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

pb7 is probably correct here, as they are in many things. Elon probably knows what he's doing, you don't get to that level of businessmen without making all the right decisions.

> you don't get to that level of businessmen without making all the right decisions C'mon; he literally just tried desperately to get out of the Twitter deal that's the direct cause of these layoffs. Jeff Bezos's decisions about where to stick his weiner cost him tens of billions of dollars. No one makes "all the right decisions".

If I may white knight for one of the most powerful men in history for a moment: It's entirely possible that Bezos and his wife just drifted apart over the decades and separated amicably. And half of that fortune was always Mackenzie's from the start, that's how marriage works in the USA.
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