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Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Musk has a history of not complying with legal obligations unless forced to..." In that case, Musk sounds very much like every government, business, politician, friend, family member and neighbor I've ever known. In other words, that's how the world generally works.

"Everybody else commits these crimes, or would if they could" is a common coping belief expressed by criminals. But it isn't true.

It's projection.

I wish I had learned earlier that when somebody makes an accusatory statement, it is wise to consider that they may be inadvertently projecting their self and their intentions onto the people around them.

It is very human to believe that most people think and feel in more or less the same way. So when we hear generalized statements about what people are like, or how they would likely react to a course of action, the sentiment will often be biased by how the speaker thinks, or would react.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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I highly doubt HR at Twitter is unaware of the laws here and not giving 60 days notice as part of the exit packages. This is basic stuff easily remedied by corrected exit package details if it did in fact happen.

I'm quite certain they're aware of the law. I also know Musk has violated it before.

You seem to be implying that's irrational behavior, and therefore won't happen.

I agree that it is irrational.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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post #17

I highly doubt HR at Twitter is unaware of the laws here and not giving 60 days notice as part of the exit packages. This is basic stuff easily remedied by corrected exit package details if it did in fact happen.

It makes no sense. Can we apply this to all the other layoffs and probably upcoming layoffs in the coming weeks from big tech? How is Twitter the only company guilty of this?

Most companies approach mass layoffs pretty carefully, announcing the terms up-front, as evidences by the Stripe and Lyft examples this week. Twitter is the only company doing mass layoffs that's owned by Musk, to answer your last question.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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post #92

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I don't think that's how constructive dismissal works (I am a former lawyer, but not an employment law specialist). I believe it is based on objective factors, not subjective intent or awareness of the likely outcome. If an employer says "you have to come back into the office 2x weekly" that is different from "you have to commute to our new office, located 60 miles away". The latter would be constructive dismissal be…

> But asking employees to resume doing something that they were willing to do when they first joined the company (assuming they joined pre-pandemic) would be difficult to characterize as constructive dismissal. They encouraged people to move far away from the office, where ever they wanted, and then are doing this explicitly for the attrition side-effect, not because they need the people in the office.

Ah, I wasn't aware of that. So they said that people could be remote forever? Was this a company-wide policy, or just certain teams?

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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According to a leak to Business Insider[0], they are still "employed" but are not allowed to work. [0] https://www.businessinsider.com/read-blunt-email-telling-twi...

So 3 months of gardening leave with benefits and a final Feb 1 RSU vest. That seems completely fair and reasonable if it's accurate.

It'll be interesting to see if any of them are bold enough to argue that their ability to exert influence over the public via their role at twitter was a material part of their compensation.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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post #17

I highly doubt HR at Twitter is unaware of the laws here and not giving 60 days notice as part of the exit packages. This is basic stuff easily remedied by corrected exit package details if it did in fact happen.

Are we sure HR wasn't laid off? The article notes Twitter didn't respond to a request for comment because the comms staff was laid off.

Another classic Musk maneuver. Tesla (in)famously doesn't have a PR department.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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This is exactly it. Terminated technically means, no longer receiving compensation or benefits. If Musk is basically saying “stop working” and we will pay you for the next 60 days (and even beyond), then this is completely legal as long as they are not restricted from seeking other employment during this “notice period” Edit: IANAL

From what I hear from my personal connections at Twitter. They will be given 60 days pay so he is circumventing that California law.

> so he is circumventing that California law

Not a Musk fan, but "circumventing" feels a bit weird when he's basically acting in the spirit of it?

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

#120

the leaked email to a Twitter employee (if true) says that they are not actually being terminated, but rather suspended with pay. So it seems that Musk is in fact staying within legal bounds (which means the lawsuit won't go anywhere). > Today is your last working day at the company, however, you will remain employed by Twitter and will receive compensation and benefits through your separation date of February 2, 202…

Yes, it's clear that the lawyers were involved and they're doing this within the rules.

Elon is doing a lot of ill-advised things with his Twitter transition, but this armchair lawyering doesn't even take the basic facts into account.

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