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Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by ceejayoz »

pb7 wrote: post #35
nathanvanfleet wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's almost as if Elon is being sued to ensure that he follows through with his obligations, since he's so consistently doesn't. Strange. It's like there is a purpose to the lawsuit.

That's not how lawsuits work. You don't sue someone for something they might do with zero indication that they will. When you buy a company headquartered in California and elect to layoff half of it, you probably know your legal obligations.

Sure you can.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaratory_judgment

> It is a form of legally binding preventive by which a party involved in an actual or possible legal matter can ask a court to conclusively rule on and affirm the rights, duties, or obligations of one or more parties in a civil dispute (subject to any appeal).

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by selectodude »

pb7 wrote: post #35
nathanvanfleet wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's almost as if Elon is being sued to ensure that he follows through with his obligations, since he's so consistently doesn't. Strange. It's like there is a purpose to the lawsuit.

That's not how lawsuits work. You don't sue someone for something they might do with zero indication that they will. When you buy a company headquartered in California and elect to layoff half of it, you probably know your legal obligations.

In a drug-induced haze, Elon offered to buy Twitter at a price that was a weed meme and after sobering up, went on a full court press in the media to get out of his deal. It required a absolute shitpounding in the Delaware court of chancery for him to cop to the legal obligations he clearly wasn't aware of.

What on earth has this man done to make you think that he knows his legal obligations?

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by jonathankoren »

illuminerdy wrote: post #41
erehweb wrote: post #21

Lots of people saying "Why is this lawsuit needed? Musk / Twitter HR would obviously comply with the law". Bear in mind that Musk has a history of not complying with legal obligations unless forced to (e.g. honoring the agreement to purchase Twitter).

> "Musk has a history of not complying with legal obligations unless forced to..." In that case, Musk sounds very much like every government, business, politician, friend, family member and neighbor I've ever known. In other words, that's how the world generally works.

> In that case, Musk sounds very much like every government, business, politician, friend, family member and neighbor I've ever known.

If your friends, family, and colleagues are routinely getting into legal trouble, you need some better friends, family, and colleagues.

Of course, maybe you're part of The Family(tm), in which case... say no more.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by trynewideas »

chevman wrote: post #17

I highly doubt HR at Twitter is unaware of the laws here and not giving 60 days notice as part of the exit packages. This is basic stuff easily remedied by corrected exit package details if it did in fact happen.

Are we sure HR wasn't laid off? The article notes Twitter didn't respond to a request for comment because the comms staff was laid off.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by jefftk »

55555 wrote: post #34

They didn't have enough advance notice? Didn't they have like 6 months of notice? Everyone knew that Elon was planning on doing mass layoffs after buying Twitter, a process which started many months ago.

Among other issues with this view, Musk repeatedly said the deal was off and only closed after Twitter sued.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by afavour »

illuminerdy wrote: post #41
erehweb wrote: post #21

Lots of people saying "Why is this lawsuit needed? Musk / Twitter HR would obviously comply with the law". Bear in mind that Musk has a history of not complying with legal obligations unless forced to (e.g. honoring the agreement to purchase Twitter).

> "Musk has a history of not complying with legal obligations unless forced to..." In that case, Musk sounds very much like every government, business, politician, friend, family member and neighbor I've ever known. In other words, that's how the world generally works.

Your friends, family members and neighbors typically aren’t going to have the power to fuck over thousands of former employees though. Great power comes great responsibility and all that.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by mywittyname »

WoahNoun wrote: post #49
illuminerdy wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Musk has a history of not complying with legal obligations unless forced to..." In that case, Musk sounds very much like every government, business, politician, friend, family member and neighbor I've ever known. In other words, that's how the world generally works.

Musk was openly antagonistic to an agreement he signed that waved all due diligence. In my business experience, most entities that sign a contract try to honor that contract. Musk does not. He tries to use his money and power to find every loophole in every business deal. It's shady, it's deceptive, and it's not conducive to long-term success.

He definitely has a vibe of seeming to think he's above the law, IMHO.

TBF, he is in most cases, just not that particular one.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by insane_dreamer »

the leaked email to a Twitter employee (if true) says that they are not actually being terminated, but rather suspended with pay. So it seems that Musk is in fact staying within legal bounds (which means the lawsuit won't go anywhere).

> Today is your last working day at the company, however, you will remain employed by Twitter and will receive compensation and benefits through your separation date of February 2, 2023.

Re: Twitter faces a class action lawsuit over mass employee layoffs with proper

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Post by _chap »

erehweb wrote: post #21

Lots of people saying "Why is this lawsuit needed? Musk / Twitter HR would obviously comply with the law". Bear in mind that Musk has a history of not complying with legal obligations unless forced to (e.g. honoring the agreement to purchase Twitter).

The Boring Company didn't install a legal septic system for the families living at their HQ in Texas. And it goes downhill from there: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-15/elon-musk...
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