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Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by skissane »

bitwize wrote: post #71
noptd wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The future of desktop Linux is a VM under Windows If Microsoft has their way, you mean.

Microsoft already has their way. Any time you boot an alternate OS, it's only because Microsoft deigns to allow it. They're the CA for Secure Boot, and at any time they can forbid disabling Secure Boot in order to qualify for Windows.

> and at any time they can forbid disabling Secure Boot in order to qualify for Windows.

If regulatory agencies were to let them get away with it - which is a very big “if”.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by IncRnd »

tmountain wrote: post #66

I think this was a Slashdot April Fool’s about 20 years ago.

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  web browser.

  ... 

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[1] http://www.mslinux.org/

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by nescioquid »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #43
encryptluks2 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LFS wouldn't be the ideal disto to create a Linux distribution. It might be good to help train people how to make one but Yocto and other projects are better suited for creating a distro. The use of RPM though is IMO a bad choice and one that lets me know that it is very unlikely that this would ever become a major distro for Microsoft.

Of all the Linux package managers (sans 'frontends/wrappers'), RPM is probably the least horrible.

To be honest, my first thought was "of course the people who insist on /r/n would pick RPM". Then I realized I haven't used RPM since RedHat 6, and maybe it's gotten better in the last twenty years...

I've probably just gotten inured to apt, but do you say RPM is the least horrible because the interface is more logical/convenient, or just better at managing dependencies?

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by lmz »

nescioquid wrote: post #85
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of all the Linux package managers (sans 'frontends/wrappers'), RPM is probably the least horrible.

To be honest, my first thought was "of course the people who insist on /r/n would pick RPM". Then I realized I haven't used RPM since RedHat 6, and maybe it's gotten better in the last twenty years... I've probably just gotten inured to apt, but do you say RPM is the least horrible because the interface is more logical/convenient, or just better at managing dependencies?

RPM is not an APT equivalent. It is a dpkg equivalent. The APT equivalent would be dnf/yum/apt-rpm.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by IncRnd »

noinsight wrote: post #18

No. Microsoft will buy Canonical for Ubuntu and that sweet, sweet developer mindshare. Ubuntu is the developer distro after all. Ubuntu will become Microsoft Linux.

The next version of Ubuntu after the purchase will contain MS Buntu, a female gnome in the shape of a paperclip who assists with all sorts of programming tasks - logging into hotmail, using copilot, signing up for github enterprise, and so forth.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by skissane »

muststopmyths wrote: post #39
bnjms wrote: post #13

Why doesn’t MS use Server Core? If they don’t why would anyone use Server at all? Is AD even worthwhile anymore for a new company?

Microsoft seems to have basically given up on windows except for legacy support. I suppose satya’s master plan is to eventually compete with Amazon on the price of Linux VMs

On the contrary, they’ve been adding new features which bring it closer to POSIX in capabilities - for example, various Windows 10 builds introduced Unix domain sockets, a pseudoterminal API, proper UTF-8 support, POSIX file delete semantics, etc. The pain of porting software from Linux/macOS to Windows has been reduced (significantly for some types of apps) and here’s to hoping they reduce it even further.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by anonymoushn »

josephg wrote: post #73
mastax wrote: post #17

Imagine writing Linux From Scratch and someone from Microsoft reads it and uses it to make a Linux distribution that goes on to power dozens of that trillion-dollar company's products. To be clear, I'm not saying that "you should be outraged," necessarily. It's just an interesting thing.

Imagine being ok with trillion dollar companies using opensource code you wrote, for free. Imagine if the people who work at those companies aren't your enemy. But instead are potential customers and potential collaborators, who see value in your work and want it to succeed. Imagine if there was a good implementation of some idea, expressed as code. And we can all share and contribute to that single good implementati…

PRs to improve zstd's embarrassingly slow decoder require you to assign your firstborn to Zuck and new Microsoft is selling me a subscription to use my laundered open source code to generate autocomplete suggestions in their closed-source IDE that pegs 2 cores and needs 4 gigs of memory (on the remote machine only) to edit 50k text files over ssh

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by closeparen »

Godel_unicode wrote: post #80
closeparen wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows Server has a vast ecosystem of skilled technicians, vendors, and MSPs who maintain the installation in the closet of every barber shop, high school, auto parts distributor, and dental clinic in North America. These institutions don't have & wouldn't be able to get the expertise to run their own Linux servers in the same way. That's what Windows Server is for. But as applications migrate to SaaS and the cloud,…

You almost had it, until the very end. There are services in Azure that run on Linux, sure, but it’s not in danger of displacing Windows any time soon. Those closet ADs will end up dirsync’d to AAD, and their inventory/CRM/etc app will be whichever SaaS figures that out fastest.

I don't deny that Microsoft is using Windows Server for internet-scale workloads. My contention is they are trying to capture the business of small software vendors, who previously built shrink-wrap products for Windows Server and are now reaching for something like AWS to host their SaaS. This type of business favors Linux, so Azure has to be a good place to run Linux.
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