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Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by genjii931 »

bitwize wrote: post #19

Makes me think of Eric S. Raymond's erotic fanfic: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8764 If this is going to be a desktop offering from Microsoft, I think it will be for remote cloud and potentially WSL2 use only. The future of desktop Linux is a VM under Windows.

Or better yet, a Windows VM under Linux.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by closeparen »

bnjms wrote: post #13

Why doesn’t MS use Server Core? If they don’t why would anyone use Server at all? Is AD even worthwhile anymore for a new company?

Windows Server has a vast ecosystem of skilled technicians, vendors, and MSPs who maintain the installation in the closet of every barber shop, high school, auto parts distributor, and dental clinic in North America. These institutions don't have & wouldn't be able to get the expertise to run their own Linux servers in the same way. That's what Windows Server is for. But as applications migrate to SaaS and the cloud, the operational capabilities of random small customers stop being relevant. Microsoft is trying to catch up to this with Azure, and Azure is embracing Linux, because that's how the internet-scale backend game is played.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #26
mastax wrote: post #17

Imagine writing Linux From Scratch and someone from Microsoft reads it and uses it to make a Linux distribution that goes on to power dozens of that trillion-dollar company's products. To be clear, I'm not saying that "you should be outraged," necessarily. It's just an interesting thing.

LFS wouldn't be the ideal disto to create a Linux distribution. It might be good to help train people how to make one but Yocto and other projects are better suited for creating a distro. The use of RPM though is IMO a bad choice and one that lets me know that it is very unlikely that this would ever become a major distro for Microsoft.

Of all the Linux package managers (sans 'frontends/wrappers'), RPM is probably the least horrible.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by dotancohen »

squarefoot wrote: post #33
aeturnum wrote: post #11

> Microsoft Linux Man, what a time to be alive! Who would have thought it. Edit: who's extending, embracing and extinguishing now?!

Still Microsoft, although after a change of tactics. They don't want to kill Linux anymore, but something even more dangerous: controlling it by making their one the accepted corporate standard ("Nobody was ever fired for using MS Linux", etc). The day they push some proprietary or oddly licensed technology to be integrated into their Linux is the day a thousands alerts should be raised into the community. Then will…

  > The day they push some proprietary or oddly licensed technology to be integrated into their
  > Linux is the day a thousands alerts should be raised into the community.
EFI boot?

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by anyfoo »

tim-- wrote: post #38

I thought Microsoft Linux was already shipping in November 2003! https://web.archive.org/web/20190529203637/http://www.mslinu... It even shipped with GUILT - Microsoft's Graphical User Interface command-Line Technology /s

I do miss the time when whimsical stuff like that was commonplace. Even if it wasn't always original or super funny, some of it was, and it was nice that the Internet was a place for those things.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #14
aeturnum wrote: post #11

> Microsoft Linux Man, what a time to be alive! Who would have thought it. Edit: who's extending, embracing and extinguishing now?!

> Edit: who's extending, embracing and extinguishing now?! Still an open question, I'd say.

Yeah, we're just now reaching the embracing. First Windows+WSL becomes the ideal dev environment, then Linux apps run natively without WSL, and then... why run a Linux kernel? After that they'll have their sights on the real prize: being the dominant browser again.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by thedougd »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #27
bnjms wrote: post #13

Why doesn’t MS use Server Core? If they don’t why would anyone use Server at all? Is AD even worthwhile anymore for a new company?

> Is AD even worthwhile anymore for a new company? Probably but Samba already does AD so you don't need Microsoft to do it. I guess PolKit at some point may offer similar functionality as group policy.

I don't think so. Start with Azure AD if you want the Microsoft system.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Post by beoberha »

bnjms wrote: post #13

Why doesn’t MS use Server Core? If they don’t why would anyone use Server at all? Is AD even worthwhile anymore for a new company?

The answer to this is “why not both”. I work on an Azure service and we use Server Core for our entire fleet. Most do.
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