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Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Makes me think of Eric S. Raymond's erotic fanfic: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8764 If this is going to be a desktop offering from Microsoft, I think it will be for remote cloud and potentially WSL2 use only. The future of desktop Linux is a VM under Windows.

>The future of desktop Linux is a VM under Windows If Microsoft has their way, you mean.

Microsoft already has their way. Any time you boot an alternate OS, it's only because Microsoft deigns to allow it. They're the CA for Secure Boot, and at any time they can forbid disabling Secure Boot in order to qualify for Windows.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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LFS wouldn't be the ideal disto to create a Linux distribution. It might be good to help train people how to make one but Yocto and other projects are better suited for creating a distro. The use of RPM though is IMO a bad choice and one that lets me know that it is very unlikely that this would ever become a major distro for Microsoft.

Of all the Linux package managers (sans 'frontends/wrappers'), RPM is probably the least horrible.

I like Arch’s pacman the best.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Imagine writing Linux From Scratch and someone from Microsoft reads it and uses it to make a Linux distribution that goes on to power dozens of that trillion-dollar company's products. To be clear, I'm not saying that "you should be outraged," necessarily. It's just an interesting thing.

Imagine being ok with trillion dollar companies using opensource code you wrote, for free.

Imagine if the people who work at those companies aren't your enemy. But instead are potential customers and potential collaborators, who see value in your work and want it to succeed.

Imagine if there was a good implementation of some idea, expressed as code. And we can all share and contribute to that single good implementation to avoid pointless work and avoid fragmentation. Imagine people from all across the world contributing both financially and via bug reports and pull requests to making that implementation succeed.

This fear of being exploited by big companies seems to motivate a lot of people in the free software world, and personally I find it pretty odious. Why shouldn't big businesses use my code? The better opensource companies (Google, new Microsoft, Facebook, etc) contribute back to the community in all sorts of ways; and I consider that a net positive on the world.

I've seen this fear show up for decades in all sorts of contexts, and I think I disagree with it every time. For example:

- A few years ago I was involved in a big argument over the licence for OpenStreetMaps. There were essentially two camps: the "Oh no what if (big evil corp) uses our community mapping data to make their map better" camp, who wanted a restrictive anti-company license. And people like me who just wanted to give a gift of mapping data to the world.

- This is the gap between GNU GPL (especially GPL3) and BSD/MIT licenses.

As an opensource maintainer, I do have a problem with people who work at big companies expecting me to volunteer my time responding to issues on github. I'd like big companies who file issues to contribute financially in exchange for my attention.

But if they don't pay, I'm more than happy for them to use my code. I made it for everyone. I'd really like it if fewer people needed to reinvent the wheel for silly licensing reasons.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Is this really realistic ? Why would Microsoft get into the Linux Enterprise market?

Because the same reason they have already tried with WSL... They are losing too many developers.

WSL on my office laptop takes 10s to boot and if you CTRL+C before it gives the prompt it shows a python stacktrace. I can only hope that by the time the people who have only ever used windows retire, windows will become as relevant as what cobol is today which is probably an insult to cobol as it's not known to make blue death screen on ATM and airport screen

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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I thought Microsoft Linux was already shipping in November 2003! https://web.archive.org/web/20190529203637/http://www.mslinu... It even shipped with GUILT - Microsoft's Graphical User Interface command-Line Technology /s

I do miss the time when whimsical stuff like that was commonplace. Even if it wasn't always original or super funny, some of it was, and it was nice that the Internet was a place for those things.

The internet was a lot more fun 20 years ago. Not quite as useful for daily life, but definitely much more fun, and less depressing.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Why doesn’t MS use Server Core? If they don’t why would anyone use Server at all? Is AD even worthwhile anymore for a new company?

I suspect Microsoft's vision is for you to use Azure AD with site-local Read Only Domain Controllers running headless on Server Core in case of internet or Azure AD outages. Server Core is more competition to headful Windows Server, rather than Linux in particular. The only great argument for running Windows Server is Exchange and Active Directory (or IIS for legacy .Net Framework applications). That being said thoug…

Is SQL Server good on Linux now? Lot of LoB apps out there (that used to be spreadsheets) based on that.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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The article says Delridge is Debian based but appears to be using RPMs? Never seen that. I would have thought the primary advantage of being Debian based is the large repository of packages?

You can install RPMs on Debian but most probably you will run into filesystem-level conflicts with DEB packages. But if you are rebuilding your own Debian-based distro, nothing prevents you from packaging everything into RPMs instead of DEBs and that's see. Not that I see the point of that, though.

Yeah but Debian’s package repository is all deb based. It would be difficult to translate precisely into RPM - they have different tooling and semantics.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Even though it is possible to run an AD with samba, it requires more than just clickety click on a bunch of boxes and MS AD is quite a large very functional product.

It is absolutely wank compared to eDirectory but I'll be whistling in the wind on that one! eDir is what AD should have been.

eDir is (well, was?) awful at any kind of scale, especially if you have lots of different compliance policies.

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Why doesn’t MS use Server Core? If they don’t why would anyone use Server at all? Is AD even worthwhile anymore for a new company?

The answer to this is “why not both”. I work on an Azure service and we use Server Core for our entire fleet. Most do.

How do Azure’s architects decide when to use Linux and when to use Server Core?

Re: Is CBL-Mariner going to become Microsoft Linux?

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Why doesn’t MS use Server Core? If they don’t why would anyone use Server at all? Is AD even worthwhile anymore for a new company?

Windows Server has a vast ecosystem of skilled technicians, vendors, and MSPs who maintain the installation in the closet of every barber shop, high school, auto parts distributor, and dental clinic in North America. These institutions don't have & wouldn't be able to get the expertise to run their own Linux servers in the same way. That's what Windows Server is for. But as applications migrate to SaaS and the cloud,…

You almost had it, until the very end. There are services in Azure that run on Linux, sure, but it’s not in danger of displacing Windows any time soon.

Those closet ADs will end up dirsync’d to AAD, and their inventory/CRM/etc app will be whichever SaaS figures that out fastest.

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