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Post by bitcurious »

nsonha wrote: post #174
hef19898 wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We talk about someone with serious self-confidence and self-esteem issues, he made Winnie the Pooh illegal after all, on his way to become de-facto dictator of China. So yes, I'd say more power over the people is exactly what Chinese leadership wants. That they ruin the economy over it, well, all totalitarian regimes learned that part the hard way sooner or later.

https://www.quora.com/Is-Winnie-the-Pooh-really-banned-in-Ch... Now find me the exact Chinese legal doc that bans Winnie the Pooh.

Find me any Chinese legal doc that enumerates the speech that get you censored on WeChat or Weibo.

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Post by raxxorraxor »

pygy_ wrote: post #222
mrtksn wrote: post #132

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Lockdowns certainly can stop geometric rise of an infection and it can make sense if you don't want to have people who might have been saved dying in hospital corridors due to lack of capacity but IMHO it doesn't make any sense whatsoever as a long term solution if the lockdown is not globally coordinated to eradicate the microbe at once. If the lockdown is not global, it will keep coming back. That's why I wonder wh…

> I wonder what China is trying to achieve here. From reading scientific papers about the occurrence of complications in people who've had Covid twice, it looks like the virus inflicts long-lasting damage to the body, even if it isn't readily apparent. People how have Covid twice have a higher rate of complication the second time around (including post-Covid syndrome a.k.a. long covid). There are no reasons to think…

> In China, that number is less than 1%.

If you can believe that number. If I had Covid in China I would do everything to keep that a secret.

The drop in productivity is a fake as it is still higher than in 2010 before Covid.

China already has an edge by numbers alone. Total productivity is the main factor here.

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Post by nsonha »

bitcurious wrote: post #261
nsonha wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.quora.com/Is-Winnie-the-Pooh-really-banned-in-Ch... Now find me the exact Chinese legal doc that bans Winnie the Pooh.

Find me any Chinese legal doc that enumerates the speech that get you censored on WeChat or Weibo.

so we're supposed to argue about the existence of things without any evidence?

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Post by hef19898 »

nsonha wrote: post #263
bitcurious wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Find me any Chinese legal doc that enumerates the speech that get you censored on WeChat or Weibo.

so we're supposed to argue about the existence of things without any evidence?

Not necessarily, but rather to accept things, in this case the Chinese system and how rules are defined and enforced.

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Post by ac2u »

moron4hire wrote: post #237
AuthorizedCust wrote: post #202

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> washing hands Can we please drop this from COVID discussions? COVID isn’t spread by touch. That was apparent early on, but a lot of energy and resources were still diverted from “things that work” to a cleaning fetish.

Has hand washing as a means to reduce disease transmission ever been studied outside of third world countries? I tried to look it up once and the only studies I could find were all in cultures that used their bare hands to clean themselves after defecating. At that point, it seems kind of obvious that washing your hands reduces disease. But for cultures that have more "advanced" bathroom ritual, is hand washing beyon…

>Has hand washing as a means to reduce disease transmission ever been studied outside of third world countries?

I believe it's been shown extensively in military studies as a means to reducing respiratory illnesses.

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Post by andrekandre »

nirimda wrote: post #98
nixcraft wrote: post #23

Also, Apple: Chinese workers flee Covid lockdown at iPhone factory https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63447755 . Elsewhere in India, Apple is up its game. India's Tata to add Up to 45,000 woman workers at iPhone parts plant to deal with the shortage of parts created by zero lockdown policy https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-01/india-s-t... . More and more stuff is moving to other parts of Asia. So…

> Lockdown may be a temporary solution. The long-term solution is to maintain better hygiene (masks, washing hands) and get the vaccine without turning into political drama all over Twitter. Outside of China, how many countries continued a lockdown solution after vaccines became widely available (in that country)? Some countries at least pursued split lockdowns where vaccinated people were completely free.

> after vaccines became widely available

i've heard that sinovac vaccine for covid wasnt as effective as mrna ones, and that may be a reason they are still doing lockdowns.. they may not have much of a choice

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Post by benj111 »

dirtyid wrote: post #172
benj111 wrote: post #158

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>It's simply zero covid working better than the best vaccines Based on one metric. But ultimately it's self defeating. If you flush the economy down the toilet then there isn't the money for clean water, or hospitals etc. Further zero flu works better than the vaccine. Do you want to stop the world until every disease is eradicated. Lockdowns were never sustainable, in the context of a modern economy. It's a question…

> Vaccines mean it's no longer the least worst option. Millions of dead, and 100s of millions taken out of workforce for ~2 weeks during infection, possibly multiple times, possibly with long covid effects for years after, or we're coming up on winter where immunity weakest. It's far from clear vaccines isn't the worst option short term (0-3 years). >flush the economy down the toilet I mean sure? Except with confluen…

chinese population is ~1.4 billion

https://health-study.joinzoe.com/post/risk-covid-after-vacci...

>We saw that 2,394 and 187 people tested positive for COVID-19 more than two >weeks after their first and second jabs, respectively, with the chances of ?>becoming infected falling as time passed.

>That’s the equivalent of one in 500 (0.2%) and one in 3,333 (0.03%)

1,400,000,000 x 0.002 = 2,800,000

(Note I actually misinterpretted this as applying to 2 different vaccines, of which I chose the least effective, whereas this is after just 1 jab.)

based on double jab figures the figure would be around 0.5 million.

>Reassuringly, only 104 people in the vaccinated group who tested positive for COVID-19 ended up in hospital (one in 2,500 or 0.04%).

1,400,000,000 x 0.0004 = 560,000

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects/... >Estimates of the proportion of people who had COVID-19 that go on to >experience post-COVID conditions can vary:

>13.3% at one month or longer after infection >2.5% at three months or longer, based on self-reporting >More than 30% at 6 months among patients who were hospitalized

2,800,000 x 0.025 = 70,000 (although this is based on the single jabbed figure, fully jabbed the figure would be 1400.

>when it will be 100s of millions since no vaccine prevent spread

Are you saying the vaccine doesn't stop you getting covid? that is false. It doesn't stop it 100% but it is significant, significant enough that outbreaks can die off on their own. Further i'm not sure if thats even relevant, the issue is how many it kills. its easy to get a cold, you don't need to worry about getting a cold because that won't kill you. so the relevant factor is how good is the vaccine at preventing major illness and hospitalisation.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/...

vaccines lower risk of infection by 60% - 80% vaccines lower the risk of symptomatic disease by 65% - 90% vaccines lower risk of hospitalisation by 90% vaccines lower risk of death by over 90%

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Post by ls15 »

i_am_proteus wrote: post #92
elvis10ten wrote: post #45

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> washing hands I always thought the pandemic will make fist bumps or other forms of greetings “mainstream”. But everyone (I know) have reverted back to hand shakes. I guessing the same with Covid hygiene measures. > get the vaccine without turning into political drama all over Twitter. Like the majority of the people not taking the vaccine are on Twitter or do so because of social media drama.

I personally had hoped the pan demic would normalize the wearing of gloves when in public, to be taken off as needed to eat, etc. But here we are. [Edited to explicitly indicate that this was a satirical post]

> [Edited to explicitly indicate that this was a satirical post]

Nobody would be able to tell in our era.

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Post by pygy_ »

raxxorraxor wrote: post #262
pygy_ wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wonder what China is trying to achieve here. From reading scientific papers about the occurrence of complications in people who've had Covid twice, it looks like the virus inflicts long-lasting damage to the body, even if it isn't readily apparent. People how have Covid twice have a higher rate of complication the second time around (including post-Covid syndrome a.k.a. long covid). There are no reasons to think…

> In China, that number is less than 1%. If you can believe that number. If I had Covid in China I would do everything to keep that a secret. The drop in productivity is a fake as it is still higher than in 2010 before Covid. China already has an edge by numbers alone. Total productivity is the main factor here.

Point 1 is reasonable, point 3 arguable, but point 2 is way off..

> The drop in productivity is a fake as it is still higher than in 2010 before Covid.

Could it be that we made technological progress in the mean time?

The drop definitely isn't fake (https://www.bls.gov/charts/productivity-and-costs/nonfarm-bu..., look at the blue line), and a stark break from a consistent increase in productivity that's been ongoing for decades with few exceptions (https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/labor-productivity-per-ho...).

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