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Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by Cockbrand » Wed, Nov 02, 2022, 10:22 AM UTC

1-more wrote: post #378

mawise wrote: post #361

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> A lot of times something like this is how you form some new regulations - it's truly one of those "You know, this was excellent but we can't do it again" situations. That's exactly what happened in the cycling world when UCI decided they needed to ban the "supertuck"[1] [1]: https://www.bicycling.com/racing/a35566614/uci-supertuck-ban...

My tinfoil hat theory is that it's a handout to manufacturers to sell dropper posts to road cyclists. Aero profile dropper? Money printer.

This has actually happened - pro road cyclist Matej Mohorič won Milan-San Remo in 2022 with a dropper post [1]. Apparently it was a standard round post, though.

[1] https://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-gear/bikes-and-biking/...

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by michaelcampbell » Wed, Nov 02, 2022, 11:52 AM UTC

joshu wrote: post #113

Probably up there with The Pass: https://youtu.be/cBthxGThBkc (wait for it)

Skip to about 4:30 if you don't want to wait for it.

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by tester89 » Wed, Nov 02, 2022, 12:43 PM UTC

Apocryphon wrote: post #385

thereddaikon wrote: post #330

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I'm not sure what you mean by that. Do you mean super un safe cross country races? Its called rallying. Do you mean impractically long drag races where lol turns out I wasn't flooring it and now I'm really flooring it? That aspect of redline doesn't make any sense. Or maybe just the competitors build their own cars and anything goes? I could get behind that. Racing seemed more pure back when it was dudes who built th…

https://store.steampowered.com/app/328460/Redline/

There's also a film by the same name about racing, so there might be some confusion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redline_(2009_film).

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by bitwize » Wed, Nov 02, 2022, 12:45 PM UTC

jstanley wrote: post #322

bscphil wrote: post #233

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> But if you play hundreds to thousands of iterated games of video game football where you control the ball on every play, you’re bound to run into the scenario and be detached enough to know what to do. Back in the day, the AI for opponents was often fairly stupid. Rather than spreading out intelligently to prevent an opponent from reaching the goal line, they would just sprint towards your current location at all t…

> in American football, failing to take the ball past a "first down" marker in five downs results in a turnover Thanks for clarifying.

American football players are often stereotyped as big and dumb but... football is complicated. Often needlessly so. It takes extensive knowledge of the rules of the game in order just to figure out what's going on.

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by jbigelow76 » Wed, Nov 02, 2022, 1:06 PM UTC

Can someone please explain what happened. I've seen the video a few times now, so I saw what happened but I am completely ignorant of either regs or etiquettes that allowed it to happen. It's a race right? I would assume grinding your car up against a wall would slow it down somewhat. Why were all the cars in the lower part of the screen going so much slower in a still live race that something like what happened could work?

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by 2000UltraDeluxe » Wed, Nov 02, 2022, 1:10 PM UTC

jbigelow76 wrote: post #415

Can someone please explain what happened. I've seen the video a few times now, so I saw what happened but I am completely ignorant of either regs or etiquettes that allowed it to happen. It's a race right? I would assume grinding your car up against a wall would slow it down somewhat. Why were all the cars in the lower part of the screen going so much slower in a still live race that something like what happened coul…

Speeding up would mean loss of control of the car in a turn, so the driver used the wall to maintain stability while pushing the pedal to the metal.

Drivers aren't supposed to hug walls like that.

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by Hanschri » Wed, Nov 02, 2022, 1:16 PM UTC

wodenokoto wrote: post #216

How does that move even work? He takes the longest path around the turn, while dragging along the side of the wall.

He went about 110 km/h faster than the other cars around that turn, pretty sure he also set a lap record by doing that move. The fact that the finish line comes up right at the end of the turn also likely helped him, as it didn't allow his competitors to gain too much speed between exiting the turn and finishing.

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by alexpotato » Wed, Nov 02, 2022, 1:20 PM UTC

bombcar wrote: post #365

thefreeman wrote: post #334

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As a bit of an aside, the past few years have seen a drastic rise in coaches "going for it" on 4th down instead of punting in a lot of situations. This is mainly attributed to the rising use of analytics by coaching staffs.

It can be directly attributed to people studying the stats - but it had been known for years that "going for it on 4th" was statistically better. But coaches were loathe to do it because if they did, and failed, they'd get yelled at for not doing it "normally", and if they succeeded nobody would notice. It took quite awhile for that logjam to break.

Reminds me of the oil drop experiment story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_drop_experiment#Millikan's...

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by Karawebnetwork » Wed, Nov 02, 2022, 1:26 PM UTC

jbigelow76 wrote: post #415

Can someone please explain what happened. I've seen the video a few times now, so I saw what happened but I am completely ignorant of either regs or etiquettes that allowed it to happen. It's a race right? I would assume grinding your car up against a wall would slow it down somewhat. Why were all the cars in the lower part of the screen going so much slower in a still live race that something like what happened coul…

Doing this, he could let go of the steering wheel and put the pedal to the metal.

Usually when doing turns like this one you need to slow down and assert perfect control on the car.

Essentially, he "became a train on tracks" while everyone was still cars.

The walls also have special protections over them that made it possible, you probably couldn't do that on a regular concrete wall.

Re: Nascar driver stuns to qualify for championship with GameCube move

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Post by dncornholio » Wed, Nov 02, 2022, 1:33 PM UTC

BoorishBears wrote: post #392

dncornholio wrote: post #282

In every form of racing this guy would be called a cheater, but NASCAR is different. NASCAR isn't about the racing, it's about entertainment.

That is so not true. The spirit of motorsport across so so many forms is poking and prodding at the limits of the rules. From "$500" 24 Hours of Lemons racers that intentionally start with negative laps to go over $500 to most banned F1 tech (99% of it was stuff that wasn't explicitly against the rules when created: https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/10-craziest-technologies-... ) Once the tech is banned sometimes cl…

Explain why NASCAR drivers are retaliating by completely crashing into each other, is that poking at the limits when it's so blatant?

F1 and NASCAR are not comparable. In F1 teams get applauded for cheating with tech, which is completely different, and arguably more boring, from NASCAR where excitement mostly comes from danger.