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Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Struggling to understand China’s endgame here. Assuming they achieve zero covid, surely they will be left with a population that is still vulnerable to covid, while the rest of the world (which has largely stopped caring) will have developed immunity the hard way, and therefore China must maintain permanent quarantine/isolation to avoid reintroducing the virus?

I have been puzzled by this too, especially given my general perception of Chinese leadership as highly competent. My best theory is that Chinese people are very paranoid about infectious disease, and that the leadership believes that their political legitimacy would be threatened by mass infection numbers.

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I prefer handshakes to make sure someone isn't carrying a knife or dagger. Covid is less of a worry.

Thoroughly washing hands regularly is one of the one behavior I kept after the pandemic. I'm aware that fomites are not the main cause (or even a cause at all) that the disease spreads. Nevertheless, proper hand hygiene seems to be a good idea to me.

Same here. I now wash my hands, every time I come home.

I think Fauci said that he hoped that COVID would stop "the barbaric practice of shaking hands."

Yeeeahhh... I don't think that's happening.

In some Asian countries, people bow, or clasp their own hands in greeting and/or respect.

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The question is what is the problem the Chinese government wants to solve? If they want to limit demonstrations and get even more power over the people, lockdowns and not allowing mRNA based vaccines inside the country is a great tool.

China had heavy lockdowns. Changing the policy could be seen as admitting they made a mistake. There's one party, but multiple factions, and some factions pushed lockdowns harder than others.

I still can't understand it. Even if China were motivated purely by not wanting to make past decisions seem wise, we've had so many reasons to change policy. Vaccines, monoclonals, paxlovid, and now updated vaccines. You may still need lockdowns to manage surges that go over your capacity to treat, but going for zero Covid?

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I personally had hoped the pan demic would normalize the wearing of gloves when in public, to be taken off as needed to eat, etc. But here we are. [Edited to explicitly indicate that this was a satirical post]

Some people here in HN said that the pandemic would normalise using masks - the way things are now every time I see someone wearing a mask I can’t help but think that they are ill and infectious; it’s very very rare. So glad that we are back to the way it was.

In the DC area you still see one in a dozen or so people wearing masks. It's not considered unusual or discouraged as far as I know.

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Also, Apple: Chinese workers flee Covid lockdown at iPhone factory https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63447755 . Elsewhere in India, Apple is up its game. India's Tata to add Up to 45,000 woman workers at iPhone parts plant to deal with the shortage of parts created by zero lockdown policy https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-01/india-s-t... . More and more stuff is moving to other parts of Asia. So…

> So how long can China keep up with this zero policy as factories move production elsewhere? The divestment of China has more reasons than just COVID: - Wages in China have risen to a point where other countries have an advantage because unchecked capitalism always optimizes for "inefficiency", and labor costs are an immense factor for these extremely large operations - Western sanctions against China have increased…

>Agreed. The problem with China's COVID policy, however, is not antivaxxers on Twitter - it is that the Chinese vaccines are absolute trash compared to Western vaccines, but Xi Jinping can't really backtrack on his decision to only use domestic vaccines because that would imply he, the half-god, has made an error in judgement.

China can't be that absurd can they? That just seems totally crazy to me.

Also China's vaccine isn't that bad, really. And it'd probably be pretty solid with a single MRNA booster.

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Some people here in HN said that the pandemic would normalise using masks - the way things are now every time I see someone wearing a mask I can’t help but think that they are ill and infectious; it’s very very rare. So glad that we are back to the way it was.

I see a few people each day wearing masks. I don’t jump to any particular conclusion about it; why they wear it is their business.

I recently caught Covid for the first time, and even though it was a fairly mild version of the symptoms, I don't want to that happen again... If I'm in crowded situations, I'll be wearing a mask for a while again. It's just self-protection.

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I personally had hoped the pan demic would normalize the wearing of gloves when in public, to be taken off as needed to eat, etc. But here we are. [Edited to explicitly indicate that this was a satirical post]

Some people here in HN said that the pandemic would normalise using masks - the way things are now every time I see someone wearing a mask I can’t help but think that they are ill and infectious; it’s very very rare. So glad that we are back to the way it was.

IDK. I've been traveling recently for work and am surprised how many masks I see on airplanes and in airports. I think it has been normalized for anyone who wants to wear one.

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I feel like we know about all-cause mortality and CE/MFS relabeled long COVID rising in anyone who had COVID, but just choose not to care. Since there are some promising developments in treating CE/MFS now, I'll continue trying to not get infected, though it is getting less easy with seemingly nobody left to give a shit.

> Since there are some promising developments in treating CE/MFS now Genuinely curious, which one would that be?

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> And of course, the CCP. They have a high membership rate. You can't study at a university without your membership card. Just in case why you wondered why everybody you meet is a CCP member.

That's not true.

Why? I've been there and studied, too. So, would you please add what's not true?

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Also, Apple: Chinese workers flee Covid lockdown at iPhone factory https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-63447755 . Elsewhere in India, Apple is up its game. India's Tata to add Up to 45,000 woman workers at iPhone parts plant to deal with the shortage of parts created by zero lockdown policy https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-01/india-s-t... . More and more stuff is moving to other parts of Asia. So…

Lockdowns certainly can stop geometric rise of an infection and it can make sense if you don't want to have people who might have been saved dying in hospital corridors due to lack of capacity but IMHO it doesn't make any sense whatsoever as a long term solution if the lockdown is not globally coordinated to eradicate the microbe at once. If the lockdown is not global, it will keep coming back. That's why I wonder wh…

The current strains are in between the severities of a cold and the flu. Lockdowns and so forth are ridiculous at this point and have been for at least a year, maybe even 18 months.
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