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Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Post by sydd »

theGeatZhopa wrote: post #10

They're still able to have fun there. Rides continue to work :) On the other side, in some parts of Europe there's a discussion to let the infected go to work (even with symptoms and of course, if one's feeling capable of work) - but, still, go to work with other infected/work with infected. I can understand that with so high density in people even one infection can lead to big massive spreads and thus to overloaded…

> They're still able to have fun there. Rides continue to work :)

Mr. Bones wild ride is real! https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/rhs54/one_does_not_...

Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Post by systemvoltage »

interpenetrate wrote: post #72
systemvoltage wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CCP has setup quarantine camps for COVID in Tibet: https://twitter.com/songpinganq/status/1571790317950763008 And red COVID QR Codes can destroy you: https://twitter.com/songpinganq/status/1562803858916933638 All I am seeing on HN are people being careful to not offend, but at some point it stops being "cultural differences".

> All I am seeing on HN are people being careful to not offend, but at some point it stops being "cultural differences". That's exactly my problem, too. Thankfully, someone in the replies to the tweet you sent finishes his sentence without ellipses. "Which is more sad: that they are locked up, or that they allow themselves to be locked up?" But this time he hides behind the rhetorical question mark! Just say the two…

> "Chinese people are docile and weak" and "Chinese people are evil, greedy liars."

No one is saying Chinese people are evil. My advice to you would be to stop making strawmans like this, that's not what people mean when they expose these atrocities. The CCP is the problem here and the authorities that are expunging basic civil rights in the name of COVID needs to be condemned. COVID is an excuse to control the population under the banner of 'zero-COVID policy'. You can't imprison a person forcibly in a 8x8 ft tent on top of a mountain for COVID isolation and explain away as "cultural differences". No one wants this shit, not the Chinese people.

Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Post by remarkEon »

mathieuh wrote: post #50
remarkEon wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I appreciate the perspective. Maybe it's just something about being an American, but even while I was in the Army I had a "fuck you" attitude about most everything that the brass (i.e. the leadership, if "brass" doesn't translate) made us do. Now that I'm a "civilian" again I still retain this attitude. A lot of important business leaders do too. I'm not really sure if this is a feature of American culture or not, bu…

I share that "fuck authority" idea with you, but I think it's important to remember that the context you grow up is very important in setting cultural norms. In many ways, even the things it's possible for someone to believe are based on socioeconomic circumstances. If you're blasted with propaganda constantly, if the means and mode of productions are set up in a certain way which encourages certain behaviour, it bec…

I meant no disrespect to other cultures with my comment.

I agree with this point:

> We have a strong individualist "fuck you, I've got mine" tendency, but just like China and Russia, there is a large portion of the population that also lauds the people who exploit us because they are seen as something to aspire to.

There's a problem when "fuck you" is taken to scale and is the operative means for running a government. It's a hard problem to solve, since I want a responsible and competent republic to maintain a reserve of "fuck you" people because, and let's be honest here, they're the ones who fight wars.

Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Post by birdyrooster »

ceilingcorner wrote: post #41

Every time I see events like this happen, I get extremely skeptical of the idea that China will somehow replace the US as leader of the world. I’m not sure if I’m justified in thinking so, but I just cannot imagine actions like this leading to a creative, innovative culture.

CCP don’t want to lead the world. CCP needs to lead China through all means necessary and global trade is necessary for that.

Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Post by Arkhaine_kupo »

mach1ne wrote: post #61
wasmitnetzen wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> most probably Citation needed. It is one of the possibilities, and the WHO says that there there's no clear winner yet[1]. Admittedly, this is a reversal of previous assessments, where the lab leak theory was all but dismissed entirely.[2] [1]: https://www.science.org/content/article/open-minded-underwhe... [2]: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00877-4

Please. If you want a citation of official authority, feel free to help yourself to the US Senate report released last week. https://www.help.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/report_an_analysis...

That report was made by interns in the minority party, aka republican staffers. Its propaganda, not backed by anything at all, and uses a ton of purple language to say that the lab leak is unfalsifiable (aka we cannot say outright it didn't happen) and equate that with "probably happened".

Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Post by pfortuny »

paganel wrote: post #62
pfortuny wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totalitarianism. Just that. You do not know what uou are risking if you protest. It may be worse that death or jail… Your family… Edit: the ellipses are because there are other possible outcomes, just that. I am not blaming the Chinese people. I am blaming the present (well, last 70 years at least) mode of government. Read Soljenitsin or Ginzburg or Nadiezda Mandelstam and you wil see what totalitarian Communism is c…

> Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity. [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Is this really a political statement?

Was the French Ancient Regime a liberal government letting people choose their lawyers?

Was the French Revolution bloodless?

Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Post by brnt »

remarkEon wrote: post #33
theGeatZhopa wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cultural differences wouldn't display by leaving of your friend :) there's so much more than "obedience". They do not riot, because they, too, understand, that the capacity of hospitals is quite low comparable to the density of people. The other points: You can't just leave the country without being a foreigner. Chinese people need a Visa for the countries they want to enter. The social score / if you participate…

I appreciate the perspective. Maybe it's just something about being an American, but even while I was in the Army I had a "fuck you" attitude about most everything that the brass (i.e. the leadership, if "brass" doesn't translate) made us do. Now that I'm a "civilian" again I still retain this attitude. A lot of important business leaders do too. I'm not really sure if this is a feature of American culture or not, bu…

To be fair, people in any culture observe certain unwritten rules and not others.

The consequences are where the biggest difference lie. Look what happened to Jintao a week ago. You are truly never safe issuing criticism in China.

Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Post by TedDoesntTalk »

voxadam wrote: post #53
notacanofsoda wrote: post #25

Where do people sleep in the park?

With the addition of a tarp or some thatching from another ride one of the teacups[0] might make a passable yurt.[1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Tea_Party [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yurt

For 10 people out of thousands?
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