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Post by mach1ne »

wasmitnetzen wrote: post #55
mach1ne wrote: post #27

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> most probably Citation needed. It is one of the possibilities, and the WHO says that there there's no clear winner yet[1]. Admittedly, this is a reversal of previous assessments, where the lab leak theory was all but dismissed entirely.[2] [1]: https://www.science.org/content/article/open-minded-underwhe... [2]: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00877-4

Please. If you want a citation of official authority, feel free to help yourself to the US Senate report released last week.

https://www.help.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/report_an_analysis...

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Post by paganel »

pfortuny wrote: post #15
andyp-kw wrote: post #11

COVID has taught me a lot about the cultural differences between the west and China. A friend of mine worked in China for many years, but after several months of being locked in their apartment block and tested every 72 hours they chose to leave China. I honestly couldn't imagine people in the West putting up with that, however I'm yet to fully understand why Chinese people continue to suffer the rules without riot.

Totalitarianism. Just that. You do not know what uou are risking if you protest. It may be worse that death or jail… Your family… Edit: the ellipses are because there are other possible outcomes, just that. I am not blaming the Chinese people. I am blaming the present (well, last 70 years at least) mode of government. Read Soljenitsin or Ginzburg or Nadiezda Mandelstam and you wil see what totalitarian Communism is c…

> Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity. [1]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by rippercushions »

ralusek wrote: post #51
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I have variations of this thought about once a month. The modern CCP is many things, but "wildly incompetent at the national scale, for extended periods of time, at the cost of potentially destroying their own country" is not something I would be quick to label them as. There is a part of me that thinks that they either know something that we do not about the current disease, or they know something we don't about som…

Not to put too fine a point on it, but "wildly incompetent at the national scale, for extended periods of time, at the cost of potentially destroying their own country" is a pretty accurate summary of the Mao era in China, and Xi has engineered his way into being in precisely the same position of having essentially unlimited power.

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Post by oneoff786 »

notacanofsoda wrote: post #29
oneoff786 wrote: post #14

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Can you name a single marvel superhero who has been replaced by a superior version of themselves that is a suppressed minority? Or any Disney character?

I don't agree with the parent commenter, but wasn't Captain Marvel originally male? The female character of Captain Marvel in the movies was known as Ms. Marvel in the comics (until 2012): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_Danvers . Similar story with Spider-man: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_Morales . There hadn't been an African-american spider-man until 2011. I'm not a comic book nerd, so I'm probably enti…

Seems like a stretch. There have been many characters using the name Captain Marvel, male and female.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Marvel_(Marvel_Comic...

Miles morales is a different person. He is not Black Peter Parker. They coexist in context dead or alive or across universes or whatever.

If you watch a marvel movie you’ll see it’s mostly character drama, not superhero theatrics. The superhero alias is not the character.

The MCU captain America is currently the Falcon, a black guy, who is objectively much weaker (not a super soldier or powered in any way. He does have fancy flying tech but they’ve tried to convey that he’s clearly inferior). One of the more nuanced and better MCU entries directly addressing the inherent supremacist nature of superhero culture and the cultural implications of just switching the race of a cultural icon. Imo, those are actually important relevant themes to drudge through. They’re not forced woke ideas forced upon people. It’s very problematic if you can’t explore such ideas without criticism for trying to do so rather than critical responses to the ideas themselves.

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Post by mach1ne »

JetAlone wrote: post #43
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What, like some kind of engineered biotech effect that will allow one nation to finally take over the world? It's a spooky enough scenario to be sexy to think about, but not even I'm tinfoil hat enough to think that's a practical move for us right now.

I was thinking more along the lines that it was found that the lab ferrets experienced slow but continuous neural degredation without an end in sight after infection. But you're right, it's not practical society-level to worry about.

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Post by oneoff786 »

savy91 wrote: post #48
oneoff786 wrote: post #14

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Can you name a single marvel superhero who has been replaced by a superior version of themselves that is a suppressed minority? Or any Disney character?

I think they are referring to the little marmaid

Is she “superior” to white Ariel? I haven’t seen the film.

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Post by interpenetrate »

rippercushions wrote: post #58
interpenetrate wrote: post #34

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Here you go: one way to complete the previous sentence about what exactly happens to children in China when their parents are arrested. https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/09/15/china-xinjiang-children-...

Much more interesting to follow live stories rather than throw around Adrian Zenz's crumbs years later. Here's the ongoing protest I was referring to, where "shattered lives" is a bruised back or (worse) the imaginary threat of becoming proletarian: https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/10/china/china-henan-bank-deposi...

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Post by threatofrain »

dylan604 wrote: post #16
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The vast majority of Chinese people have no option but to continue to suffer the rules, although not a few are speaking up despite the likely consequences: https://www.thestatesman.com/world/tibetans-march-on-streets... (note that the protestors are by and large Chinese, not Tibetan) Of the remaining privileged minority, many are choosing to GTFO.

Other than the money leaving the country, would those leaving essentially be the grease on the squeaky wheel? If they have the financial freedom to have the courage to speak out, but then use that financial position to GTFO, that essentially helps the CCP as there's a much lower volume of opposition.

This will probably be an unpopular position, but I think some things are a matter of settled strategic win. The CCP has won. You shouldn't fight a battle which results in your meaningless destruction. The CCP can only have a semblance of vulnerability if it terribly mismanages China, and so far it seems to be rather competent.

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Post by chippiewill »

mach1ne wrote: post #27

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I think it's just a cultural problem.

China had extraordinary success with their 0-covid strategy following the first two months of pandemic and were largely unaffected while western countries were struggling with intermittent lockdowns and massive death tolls. It really showed one of the strengths of China's regime and I think it formed a part of their national pride.

It's hard for them to walk back from that now because of how much it contradicts what they've been saying for over 2 years.

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Post by sydd »

andyp-kw wrote: post #11

COVID has taught me a lot about the cultural differences between the west and China. A friend of mine worked in China for many years, but after several months of being locked in their apartment block and tested every 72 hours they chose to leave China. I honestly couldn't imagine people in the West putting up with that, however I'm yet to fully understand why Chinese people continue to suffer the rules without riot.

AFAIK they need to lock down because their vaccine is shit. It kinda works for the younger people (around 70% efficiency compared to 90++ of the MRNA ones), but it does really bad for the most vulnerable population (80+ year olds). They either lock down or have tens of millions of deaths.

Xi said that they will end lockdowns in 2024, the same year they will come out with their MRNA vaccines. I dont know why they arent buying western vaccines though. Trade restrictions? Xi's pride?

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