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Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Re: Shanghai Disney shuts: Visitors unable to leave without negative Covid test

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Post by ralusek »

mach1ne wrote: post #27

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I have variations of this thought about once a month. The modern CCP is many things, but "wildly incompetent at the national scale, for extended periods of time, at the cost of potentially destroying their own country" is not something I would be quick to label them as.

There is a part of me that thinks that they either know something that we do not about the current disease, or they know something we don't about something that is to come. Maybe they're concerned about working out the kinks of managing a society during a pandemic, with COVID as a trial run. Their level of control seems insane when what we're dealing with is COVID (as far as we know), but what if we're dealing with something worse? Suddenly the civil liberties and laissez faire take of the west is an unimaginable disadvantage.

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Post by voxadam »

notacanofsoda wrote: post #25

Where do people sleep in the park?

With the addition of a tarp or some thatching from another ride one of the teacups[0] might make a passable yurt.[1]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Tea_Party

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yurt

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Post by rippercushions »

dylan604 wrote: post #16
rippercushions wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vast majority of Chinese people have no option but to continue to suffer the rules, although not a few are speaking up despite the likely consequences: https://www.thestatesman.com/world/tibetans-march-on-streets... (note that the protestors are by and large Chinese, not Tibetan) Of the remaining privileged minority, many are choosing to GTFO.

Other than the money leaving the country, would those leaving essentially be the grease on the squeaky wheel? If they have the financial freedom to have the courage to speak out, but then use that financial position to GTFO, that essentially helps the CCP as there's a much lower volume of opposition.

Such is the dilemma of living or leaving a dictatorship. Also, it's one thing to stand on the barricades and risk prison when you're young and single, but it's a whole different level when you have family and you know the CCP will not hesitate to use them as pawns. (In Xinjiang, it's all too common for parents to get sent to reeducation camps, and the children end up in orphanages.)

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Post by wasmitnetzen »

mach1ne wrote: post #27

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> most probably

Citation needed. It is one of the possibilities, and the WHO says that there there's no clear winner yet[1]. Admittedly, this is a reversal of previous assessments, where the lab leak theory was all but dismissed entirely.[2]

[1]: https://www.science.org/content/article/open-minded-underwhe... [2]: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00877-4

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Post by mach1ne »

skrause wrote: post #47
mach1ne wrote: post #27

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> Do they know something we don't? What China knows is that their vaccines are worse than the western ones, too many old people didn't get vaccinated at all and they don't have the hospital capacity to just ride out the infections waves without many deaths.

I very much hope this is what it is. This theory is supported by the notion that massive death waves would supposedly put pressure on the current government.

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Post by qikInNdOutReply »

theGeatZhopa wrote: post #30
andyp-kw wrote: post #11

COVID has taught me a lot about the cultural differences between the west and China. A friend of mine worked in China for many years, but after several months of being locked in their apartment block and tested every 72 hours they chose to leave China. I honestly couldn't imagine people in the West putting up with that, however I'm yet to fully understand why Chinese people continue to suffer the rules without riot.

The cultural differences wouldn't display by leaving of your friend :) there's so much more than "obedience". They do not riot, because they, too, understand, that the capacity of hospitals is quite low comparable to the density of people. The other points: You can't just leave the country without being a foreigner. Chinese people need a Visa for the countries they want to enter. The social score / if you participate…

"Her family is still there."

Main reason is family first. The ccp will threaten your loved ones, if you do not comply. And family is all you got to rely on, as social network, as thrustworthy people, as pension plan, as everything in a culture optimized to pitch man vs man.

Its a mob, threatening the citizens. All the cultural factors amplify the mobs power, and no nobody believes the texts of the ccp. Its just that the don is always right.

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Post by rippercushions »

interpenetrate wrote: post #34
pfortuny wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totalitarianism. Just that. You do not know what uou are risking if you protest. It may be worse that death or jail… Your family… Edit: the ellipses are because there are other possible outcomes, just that. I am not blaming the Chinese people. I am blaming the present (well, last 70 years at least) mode of government. Read Soljenitsin or Ginzburg or Nadiezda Mandelstam and you wil see what totalitarian Communism is c…

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Here you go: one way to complete the previous sentence about what exactly happens to children in China when their parents are arrested.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/09/15/china-xinjiang-children-...

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Post by systemvoltage »

interpenetrate wrote: post #34
pfortuny wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totalitarianism. Just that. You do not know what uou are risking if you protest. It may be worse that death or jail… Your family… Edit: the ellipses are because there are other possible outcomes, just that. I am not blaming the Chinese people. I am blaming the present (well, last 70 years at least) mode of government. Read Soljenitsin or Ginzburg or Nadiezda Mandelstam and you wil see what totalitarian Communism is c…

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The CCP has setup quarantine camps for COVID in Tibet: https://twitter.com/songpinganq/status/1571790317950763008

And red COVID QR Codes can destroy you: https://twitter.com/songpinganq/status/1562803858916933638

All I am seeing on HN are people being careful to not offend, but at some point it stops being "cultural differences".

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Post by paganel »

theGeatZhopa wrote: post #10

They're still able to have fun there. Rides continue to work :) On the other side, in some parts of Europe there's a discussion to let the infected go to work (even with symptoms and of course, if one's feeling capable of work) - but, still, go to work with other infected/work with infected. I can understand that with so high density in people even one infection can lead to big massive spreads and thus to overloaded…

> On the other side, in some parts of Europe there's a discussion to let the infected go to work

I live in Europe, the "infected" have gone to work since this February just fine. I mean, those that didn't call in sick days out of their own volition.

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