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Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by _-david-_ »

zimpenfish wrote: post #425
_-david-_ wrote: post #411

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>Is watching Fox News or Newsmax counts as touching grass? It is the exact opposite. I think this proves my point that you need to get out. Please provide me some Fox or Newsmax links promoting hate and violence though. I would be interested in seeing what you call violence and hate. >Many of my sources touched grass and came to the opposite conclusion than you. I was suggesting you touch grass not people you listen…

> violence is relatively low and things are OK [1] disagrees with you. [1] https://prochoice.org/national-abortion-federation-releases-...

> disagrees with you

Good for them.

The problem with crap like that is saying that praying outside an abortion clinic is considered harassment which is considered violence. They say if people are outside that scares people from going into the clinic which means they are blocking access. It is nonsense.

Second, some of the attacks outside of clinics were from pro abortion people. That site is bias and making it look like they were all pro lifers.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by detaro »

_-david-_ wrote: post #480
Comevius wrote: post #444

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Nothing you are saying invalidates these studies. It's not especially hard to run into this kind of hate out in the streets either, and if you are running an abortion clinic you pretty much have to deal with it on a daily basis. While we were talking a conservative man went to Nancy Pelosi's house looking for her and attacked her husband with a hammer. This was just one of the many high-profile incidents that occurre…

Please just stop. The person who attacked Pelosi's husband was a leftist. https://nypost.com/2022/10/29/paul-pelosi-attacker-david-dep... You need to get outside and stop going on the internet so much.

I don't see where that article provides any evidence for "The person who attacked Pelosi's husband was a leftist.", if anything it suggests the opposite.

Edit: ok, spent the few minutes tracking down an archive copy of the mentioned blogs, and ranting about "climate hysteria", "why colleges are becoming Cults", "communism is a revolution sponsored by wallstreet" and "Groomer schools" doesn't seem like usual leftist talking points.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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socialismisok wrote: post #436
_-david-_ wrote: post #403

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You could make that argument about any group that has a large amount of critics. Congress, for example, has an approval rating under that of trans people. I propose Twitter bans anybody who "berates" a politician. If we don't do that then Twitter is allowing the environment to be too unpleasant for one the most marginalized groups out there. Why would my plan be bad, but yours good? Just because there is an environme…

Partly due to power imbalance. Congresspeople are not typically subject to routine violence just because they are congresspeople. They aren't typically dealing with a healthcare system that is actively hostile to them. They don't have high levels of homelessness, abuse, and suicide. Additionally, congresspeople are public figures - being satirized is part of the social contract when you become a public figure. And co…

>Partly due to power imbalance. Congresspeople are not typically subject to routine violence just because they are congresspeople.

Congressmen are attacked all the time. They have assassination attempts all the time. The average trans person doesn't need protection, but the average congressman does.

>They aren't typically dealing with a healthcare system that is actively hostile to them. They don't have high levels of homelessness, abuse, and suicide.

Healthcare is absolutely not hostile to them. Doctors are being threatened with firing (or may have been fired?) if they don't use the correct pronouns.

I do agree that trans people have higher levels of homelessness, abuse and suicide, but I don't think it is relevant.

>Additionally, congresspeople are public figures - being satirized is part of the social contract when you become a public figure.

Having a public social media account makes you a public person in a sense. If you don't want public attention don't make a public account.

>And congresspeople have power. Lots of power. Saying that an average congressperson and an average trans person are equal is just not true.

Seeing how a trans person was able to get a company that has something like 10% of the internet going through them (Cloudflare) to remove a site I would say trans people have a massive amount of power.

>If you pulled out another minority group with little power, your rule might be more agreeable.

I think we should have consistent rules regardless of how much power a person has. Should politicians not have the right to a trial because they are powerful? Of course not. Rules should be uniform.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by _-david-_ »

socialismisok wrote: post #435
_-david-_ wrote: post #142

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A joke about trans people is not transphobia. If somebody makes a joke about white people is that whitephobia?

A joke about trans people may or may not be transphobia. There's a ton of context to consider - who is telling the joke, whi is the punchline, etc. But this case was not that. This case was specifically targeting a specific individual and making fun of them being trans. That's absolutely transphobia.

>A joke about trans people may or may not be transphobia.

That is good. A lot of people don't agree.

>who is telling the joke,

Not true.

>whi is the punchline, etc.

Maybe. The problem is the inconsistent standards on that. Punch lines that are anti white or anti male aren't considered sexists or racist, but anti trans ones are.

We need a consistent standard and we don't have it.

>But this case was not that. This case was specifically targeting a specific individual and making fun of them being trans. That's absolutely transphobia.

That was not the case. They were parodying the newspaper or magazine that said Levine was the woman of the year.

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Post by _-david-_ »

detaro wrote: post #482
_-david-_ wrote: post #480

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Please just stop. The person who attacked Pelosi's husband was a leftist. https://nypost.com/2022/10/29/paul-pelosi-attacker-david-dep... You need to get outside and stop going on the internet so much.

I don't see where that article provides any evidence for "The person who attacked Pelosi's husband was a leftist.", if anything it suggests the opposite. Edit: ok, spent the few minutes tracking down an archive copy of the mentioned blogs, and ranting about "climate hysteria", "why colleges are becoming Cults", "communism is a revolution sponsored by wallstreet" and "Groomer schools" doesn't seem like usual leftist t…

None of those are necessarily right wing views.

Many average liberals agree with all of those. I consider liberals to be leftists, I know there is contention on that label though.

I hold a more strict view than most people on what is right wing which may be causing my different view. I consider all liberals including classical liberals to be left wing.

I would mention that "San Francisco pro-nudist activist Gypsy" isn't exactly a very right wing sort of position.

He was also a hemp jewelry maker.

At best he was in the center in common American parlance.

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Post by nemo44x »

thedorkknight wrote: post #479
nemo44x wrote: post #450

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It’s satire. They aren’t harassing anyone, they’re making a joke about a public person. It’s a joke and it’s completely different than “targeted misgendering”.

It's satire that's making fun of transgenderism. It would only work as satire that isn't intentionally misgendering if it was mocking conservatism's refusal to accept someone's gender. Which is absolutely not what they're doing

You’re confusing aesthetics and taste with harassment and targeted misgendering.

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Post by ZGDUwpqEWpUZ »

MollyRealized wrote: post #412
ZGDUwpqEWpUZ wrote: post #370

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> I believe Babylon Bee should've been suspended not because of any moral issue but because Twitter was not a governmental entity You believe they should have been suspended because they could have been? What gibberish. This is very much a moral issue. The fact that Twitter isn't a governmental entity is irrelevant. They have a huge platform with a corresponding influence on our culture and debate. Everyone accepts t…

"Congress shall make no law [...] abridging the freedom of speech." Congress, not Twitter.

Umm, I didn't even mention free speech.

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Post by socialismisok »

Shared404 wrote: post #460
oska wrote: post #449

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You're using intersex ppl and the very real issues they have faced to then push gender ideology (your transition at the end to "A group whose bodies are functionally male but who feel a deep revulsion at being a man"). That's exploitative of intersex people but is sadly consistent with gender ideologues always trying to piggyback on other group's issues (e.g. the attempt to piggbyback on the struggles that same sex a…

You are aware that trans individuals have been part of the LGBT movement feom the beginning, even back before AIDS when it was the GLBT movement, right?

Yeah, fuck, Stonewall was instigated by trans women, lesbians, and eventually gay men fighting back against oppression together. The Ball scene has always had a trans component.

To say that gender issues are piggybacking on homosexual issues is revisionism, full stop.

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Post by socialismisok »

xigoi wrote: post #466
Shared404 wrote: post #117

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> The 'mis-gendering' in this case was absolutely truthful in a scientific sense, Except: A) Gender != biological sex. B) Even biological sex has a lot more shades of grey C) Even if the Bee were referring to biological sex, it would be Male/Female of the year, not Man/Woman. D) It's the Bee. Everyone knows the intent.

> A) Gender != biological sex. What makes you thing they weren't talking about biological sex? > B) Even biological sex has a lot more shades of grey Which are not applicable in this case, since the sex of the individial in question is inambiguous. C) Even if the Bee were referring to biological sex, it would be Male/Female of the year, not Man/Woman. A man is defined as an adult male. > D) It's the Bee. Everyone kno…

Language is moving towards a disambiguation between male (as a kerotype or body plan) and man (as a social concept of what it is to be 'manly' in that society.)

This evolution of language has been very rapid in some circles, and slow in others, but everyone uses it to some degree.

For example, when people say, "Be a man!" Or "man up!", they aren't saying, "show your adult male body".

They are saying, "meet our standards for what a man in our culture is!" Mulan's famous song, "I'll make a man out of you" has nothing to do with chromosomes or penises. It has everything to do with the social side of the term "man".

So at the very least, the word man is ambiguous and could mean adult male or it could mean someone who is manly in behavior.

Re: The Babylon Bee's Twitter account is no longer suspended

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Post by oska »

Shared404 wrote: post #460
oska wrote: post #449

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You're using intersex ppl and the very real issues they have faced to then push gender ideology (your transition at the end to "A group whose bodies are functionally male but who feel a deep revulsion at being a man"). That's exploitative of intersex people but is sadly consistent with gender ideologues always trying to piggyback on other group's issues (e.g. the attempt to piggbyback on the struggles that same sex a…

You are aware that trans individuals have been part of the LGBT movement feom the beginning, even back before AIDS when it was the GLBT movement, right?

I didn't say anything about your so-called 'LGBT movement'. I talked about 'the struggles that same sex attracted people have faced', struggles that span millennia and cultures. Your so-called 'LGBT movement' is highly western culture oriented (particularly US American / New York culture, see the other commenter's reference to Stonewall), historically recent and ideologically constructed. That is very different to my formulation, which is non-ideological, non-identitarian and consequently universally inclusive (for all same sex attracted people).
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